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Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by Donzo »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #254
Donzo wrote: post #52

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Designers, architects, engineers, carpenters, administrators, teachers, writers, and so forth. I've seen daily marijuana users rise to the top of major industries. Of course, I've seen other daily marijuana users remain stationed at the front counters of gas stations, but that's my point. I don't think that daily marijuana use is the factor that accounts for the relative successes or failures of these individuals. Th…

>I don't think that daily marijuana use is the factor that accounts for the relative successes or failures of these individuals. There are many more variables. // Do you think it's a significant factor for some? I'm interested in where you live, well what society - you've listed 7+ professions, each as a multiple, of people you personally know who you consider successful, who you also know to be daily pot smokers. I…

As a long time participant in the aforementioned counter culture, I find that marijuana use is prevalent in society. Any other conclusion is steered by naivety.

The teachers, principals, and business professionals whom I've known to partake in this ritual, generally do not do so at work. Just as many workers drink alcohol during their off time, most do not come to work drunk.

I don't know many people's daily routines. I really only know my wife's. But, knowing that someone is a daily marijuana user is different from knowing their daily routine.

I can say this: I was very surprised to discover that some people, who otherwise cultivate an image of wholesomeness, are longtime marijuana users. Not everybody who uses marijuana wears tie-dyed t-shirts. Likewise, some people who wear tie-dyed t-shirts have never used marijuana.

Of course, things might be different where you live, but I doubt it.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by dghughes »

dghughes wrote: post #238
martinald wrote: post #13

While I'm totally for drug (all drugs - not just cannabis) legalisation/regulation, I do think the "dangers" of marijuana have been really downplayed over the last few years. I know a lot of people at university who got into smoking it very often and basically lost 10+ years of their life to complete apathy to anything. Some have now stopped and are totally different people - just 10 years behind. While it doesn't ca…

In a way you can overdoes but it seems to depend on the person cases of cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome aka CHS are appearing more and more. http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/pot-pains-why-marijuana-can-bec...

edit: overdose* not "over does" albeit it's somewhat apt

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by nine_k »

mercer wrote: post #258
nine_k wrote: post #113

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Alcohol's effects are similar and often worse. Prohibition is still widely regarded as a mistake, and literally tens of millions people in the US consume small doses of alcohol without becoming adficts.

I sometimes wonder if a measure less extreme than prohibition might've actually worked. When it comes to weed, the Dutch approach seems to be pretty effective at allowing it's use while simultaneously keeping it from being a cultural mainstay, and I think that's a good thing. It also seems to work with smoking. It's amazing to see how many people quit smoking as price increases and as the cultural values change. As a…

Completely agreed.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by dekhn »

dekhn wrote: post #106
FreeFull wrote: post #18

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Any kind of smoke inhalation will cause cancer

Citation, please.

I really wish you had replied with some actual citations, because in fact, many types of smoking do not cause cancer (to the best of our modern scientific ability). In particular, there is no unambiguous evidence that smoking marijuana causes cancer, and in fact, the predominant findings today support the hypothesis that marijuana smoking has a slight protective effect against cancer.

If you want to learn more, the book "Primer of Biostatistics" cites a number of studies (see the problem section) where numerous studies showed an absence of cancer being caused by marijuana smoke inhalation using controlled trials. Further work on humans has also shown no credible evidence.

That's just marijuana. There are other substances that are smoked and have no evidence of increased cancer rates.

If you're going to make a general assertion, please back it up with scientific data.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by liminangel »

armitron wrote: post #109
madaxe_again wrote: post #83

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Without the drug economy, it's not clear how the CIA and DEA would remain profitable enterprises, which is what fundamentally matters to them - so until it becomes illegal for the CIA to produce and import drugs, don't expect anything to change. The incentives to maintain the status quo are just too big. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_traf...

This, so much this. During conversations in everyday life, I can not believe how many (well-educated) people I meet that are completely ignorant of the humongous elephant in the room even when they've been caught multiple times with their hand in the suitcases full of money that the CIA likes to throw around their potential "customers" like they're candy. Even if black budgets that are kept off the books are a small…

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