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'Chemtrails' not real, say atmospheric science experts

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Re: 'Chemtrails' not real, say atmospheric science experts

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post #14

Give this a listen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1eVTy0bBCg&t=115 Its a NASA scientist Dr. Douglas Rowland at the minimum admitting geo-engineering and that there are different types of "chemtrails" and that they have dumped lithium into the atmosphere.

Maybe of interest as well is this talk by Kristen Meghan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_P5KWSXZF4

Down vote me into oblivion but at least give these talks an opportunity before doing so.

Re: 'Chemtrails' not real, say atmospheric science experts

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> "We wanted to establish a scientific record on the topic of secret atmospheric spraying programs for the benefit of those in the public who haven't made up their minds," said Steven Davis of UC Irvine. "The experts we surveyed resoundingly rejected contrail photographs and test results as evidence of a large-scale atmospheric conspiracy." Not that I disagree with their expert opinions, but this is not a scientific…

To be fair to them, a scientific record is in many ways just the aggregate of the agreements of the practitioners of [insert experimental / theoretical discipline here] who agree that a particular set of data and theories seem to be well-formed. So, scientific record is an aggregate opinion, backed by data. Sometimes the data are experiments, but these experiments require peer validation, or else any old crackpot wcould have their theories accepted. Other times the scientific consensus is less-well-backed by experiement (String theory anyone?) sometimes correctly, sometimes not. This is how induction works!

Re: 'Chemtrails' not real, say atmospheric science experts

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But, but, water is a dangerous chemical, which has been used for societal control forever! Reply with a self addressed envelope to receive your free tinfoil trilby.

Indeed sir, I'm glad you share the wider concern. There has long been established (and denied by the establishment) that there is an undeniable link between consumption of this 'dangerous chemical' and death in humans. Conspiracy if there ever was one!

Re: 'Chemtrails' not real, say atmospheric science experts

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post #9

The idea of chemtrails is appealing to so many people because it's a way to express outrage toward the elites or upper echelons in society. The theories are always a bit vaporous (like the chemtrails themselves), but I think it's stemming from an honest, genuine sense of frustration that one is being cheated or manipulated by a system that doesn't represent them. Chemtrails give a head to this boogeyman.

Those theorists are quite irrational, but what I find most ridiculous about a lot of them is not the theories themselves, but the idea that they have the ability to actually fight back.

Sensationalists like Alex Jones assert crazy ideas such as the government tainting our tap water to perform mass mind control and yet at the same time spread this message that they can resist against the upcoming "New World Order." With chemtrails specifically, on YouTube, you'll find videos of people spraying vinegar bottles outside when they see airplane contrails outside, believing it to be some sort of deterrent against their effects. If I believed that the government was capable of shit like super-effective mind control and all that other shit, I'd pretty much believe there's no hope for the world and recline to live the rest of my life in a bunker somewhere.

Re: 'Chemtrails' not real, say atmospheric science experts

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post #6

Given the inherent implausibility of a massive global conspiracy that has such obvious effects but no coherent explanation of... anything... it seems to me that it would be more useful to study why and how people come to believe in these things. The problem is in people's heads, not the sky.

I agree, the problem is in the heads of the people who blindly trust everything they are told. Why is it so outrageous to assume that chemtrails might be a covert experiment to manipulate climate (or has some other purpose)? I'm not saying that it is, but is it outrageous to doubt official narratives? Since when is that scientific?

Doubt is reasonable, there's no problem here. Unquestioned belief in "common sense" and what authority figures say is not. A lot of people have a lot to gain by leading the public to believe certain things. Isn't it too naive to assume that you are always being told the truth, when some stakes are so high?

Re: 'Chemtrails' not real, say atmospheric science experts

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The chemtrail people are nuts. I have some experience with them from my NASA sounding rocket days.

Some sounding rocket missions do release chemicals, including lithium, into the upper atmosphere to study how high-altitude winds behave. That lithium, by the way is a different form than you'll find in psychoactive medications and a very small amount is released anyway.

But many chemtrail people believe that every sounding rocket mission includes chemical releases. Some were very upset about one mission I worked, which had no releasables at all. It was an underflight calibration of the EVE instrument on SDO, so all we were doing was staring at the sun for about 10 minutes. But no, we must have been hiding something, because we were sinister and evil.

Re: 'Chemtrails' not real, say atmospheric science experts

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Am I the only one to detect some sleight of hand at work here? How can "the experts" "resoundingly reject" the existence of a secret program? Surely, by definition, they would know nothing about its existence if it is SECRET?!?

As you can see, it is the widespread governmental secretiveness that provides the fertile ground for such "theories".

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