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http://en.arguman.org/about
Pretty annoying that you can't select text to copy/paste and quote it.
I'm sure they would appreciate an issue https://github.com/arguman/arguman.org/issues
React is mostly hype
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Re: React is mostly hype
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No, because "plain JS" isn't a UI framework. We're moving closer to having real GUIs in the browser (e.g., Java Swing) but that's not a function of the language, but the plumbing around the language. Swing isn't Java, Swing is written in Java.
If you use createElement, appendChild, and innerHTML, you can replicate a lot of the functionality of react. In fact react probably uses a lot of that under the hood. Of course for more complex applications, react is cleaner. But for relatively simple components, manually manipulating the DOM like this might be worth skipping the overhead of react.
Yep, agree entirely, although I wouldn't advocate mixing the two in a single application--mixing mechanisms is added cognitive overhead.
But again, JS is just a language, that happens to have an interface into a DOM (in some environments). It's not a framework that guides you in how to organize and architect an app.
It's possible to write maintainable, high-performance, complex apps using plain JS. Adding a few simple layers makes it a lot easier, though, and I'd argue that the current crop of client-side frameworks make it easier still. Simple apps == simple code. Complex apps == complex code, regardless of the tools used to create it. Underneath everything, after all, is still just plain JS.
Re: React is mostly hype
#43I would think http://en.arguman.org/web-programming-is-getting-unnecessari... is much more interesting, really.
React is _just one framework_. Popular, sure, and occasionally annoying (for very small things, the overhead of building a gigantic workspace vs just using Zepto and ending up with three JS files is... well... pointless), but we should be looking at the broader picture.
Re: React is mostly hype
#44Other technologies have gotten a lot more attention due to the support of big name companies but vue.js is easily my favorite Web framework.
Re: React is mostly hype
#45I find all the recent negativity around React-related posts to be very frustrating.
I'm a frontend engineer, and I greatly enjoy working with React. But I think that's because I've invested the time needed to learn and navigate the ecosystem.
It's true that React doesn't solve all the problems you deal with when building a web app. But I don't think it has ever marketed itself as a "batteries included" solution. It gives you a strong ecosystem and a great abstraction for building UI's.
Re: React is mostly hype
#46This is the same stuff people have been saying about React since its inception. Putting opinions into Arguman doesn't make them factual statements.
No kidding. These aren't arguments, they're claims. Making an argument involves using reasoning to support claims... you can't just draw boxes around five claims and say it's an argument.
Re: React is mostly hype
#47The arguments are pretty vague, for example > React becomes counterproductive when developing apps that aren't mere demos. I have developed big apps in Backbone, moving very the same apps to React and the productivity went up madly. Facebook does develop apps which certainly cannot be considered "mere demos" and you can see them in action, for example Ad Manager for Facebook on iOS (written in React Native). Facebook…
Well, React has one huge disadvantage: It requires you not suing FB, even if they abuse some of your own patents.
That patent license they have in their project basically means you can only use React as dev in a company if your company does not have patents or noteworthy IP.
Re: React is mostly hype
#48I really don't give a shit what anyone says, for me personally ReactJS makes front end great fun to program and an absolute blast and empowers me like never before to build powerful, interactive front end apps with a code base that is well structured, understandable and makes sense. Until React I dreaded front end development, painful, weird, quirky, hard to organise and generally problemtic. With React I feel like a…
100% agree.
With Angular, you're basically having to learn an entirely new MVC framework, complete with a mess of its own methods and definitions, which is built on an already existing MVC framework (a web browser).
When I took some time maybe four years ago or so to study Angular, I came to the conclusion that it's just the wrong way to go about web development. I started thinking hell, I'm just gonna write my own library which strictly handles the view portion. Low and behold, I find React, and it's everything I was hoping for.
If anyone is thinking about trying out Angular, save yourself time and headaches and use React or Vue.js
Re: React is mostly hype
#49Ignore the react bit, the site is interesting in itself. http://en.arguman.org/ The post is bait-and-switch, react is a bite, time for a switch. :-)
I'm missing the "well actually" reply type.
Re: React is mostly hype
#50Ignore the react bit, the site is interesting in itself. http://en.arguman.org/ The post is bait-and-switch, react is a bite, time for a switch. :-)
No thank you. None of the other "discussions" are worth wasting time over. Just people bringing feelings, sophisms and misinformation to an argument fight. It's no better than a reddit thread.
You got heavily downvoted, but the linked argument-story is an example for this. Less emotions would be nice.
Some day we may have a forum (in the broadest sense) that uses a sensor, like a webcam, and "emotion recognition" AI. You are not allowed to vote if you are too worked up about a comment, and if you post it will be held for a few hours and you have to acknowledge that you still mean it after that "timeout" period before it gets published. This should/could take care of some hot-headed responses. I think digital discussion needs more ideas, just "post your comment here" and "votes" don't really cut it. It's better than nothing (pre-Internet), but we've seen the disadvantages by now, why not try something new?
Internet discussion and collaboration software could be (should be?) the most exciting thing, instead everybody just copied and barely modifies the core concept in use since the very first web forum software was first published.