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Why professors, pundits, and policy wonks misunderstand the world

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Re: Why professors, pundits, and policy wonks misunderstand the world

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Those were two cherry-picked examples of things intelligentsia got right. It was not a claim that they get everything or almost everything right. I generally share the author's opinions about intellectuals as a category, and the gold standard was, in my opinion, a particularly good choice of an example that intellectuals get right where the common man is often quite wrong. The same concrete connection to the real wor…

It's impossible to take you seriously when you use Stalin's Five Year Plans as evidence that "Intellectuals" are negative. That's a flawed argument on so many levels: 1) It's ridiculous to conflate modern science and Stalin. It's worse than ridiculous. 2) Even if you can somehow convince yourself that it's reasonable to treat Stalin and modern scientists as a homogenous pool, Stalin's actions worked out quite well fo…

"1) It's ridiculous to conflate modern science and Stalin."

First of all, I absolutely place Communism in the domain of "intellectualism". The only reason to do otherwise is simply because it failed and you don't want the stain of Communism on the word "intellectualism", but there is no other reason. It was, and remains, an intellectual-driven movement, since Communism is hardly dead. It is impossible to understand it from any other point of view. There were no Communist revolutions I know of led and driven by "the people". There were no Communist revolutions I know of where "the people" ended up in charge, rather than an intellectual who drove it. It started with intellectuals sitting around and theorizing, and was continued by other intellectuals taking the theories as truth and then trying to put them into practice despite the complete lack of evidence in their favor. (One can't help but feel that the fact that it flatters their egos played a significant role.) If there weren't communist intellectuals still running around today, I would let it go, but it is absolutely one of the things I had in mind that are still alive that should have died decades ago.

Secondly... Five Year Plans are alive and well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-year_plans_of_China And I hear the phrase from other places every so often as well. The idea that you can make grandiose plan years in advance is hardly dead. (The word "grandiose" is not extraneous. I have multi-year plans to pay off my mortgage, for instance, but that's not "grandiose".) While I fully intended the Stalinist overtones, the general criticism is about glorious planning disconnected from reality, which many large institutions (governments, corporations, etc.) become prone to.

Finally, you missed the true core of the post, which is that I have contempt for so-called intellectuals who react to the failure of their theories by clinging to them all the harder. One of the things about being an intellectual is that you have the mental firepower to rationalize harder than the common man, and I have contempt for those who use their mental firepower that way. Words and theories must not take priority over the facts on the ground. That way lies madness. I do not theorize about how that way lies madness because I need merely look out at the facts on the ground and see a wide variety of "intellectuals" propounding insane theories with epicycles piled on epicycles that they should have given up decades ago, some of which have had devastating consequences on the world. For instance, I lay the bulk of the blame for the obesity epidemic on certain intellectual's disastrous failure to notice how blindingly wrong their theories about healthy eating were when the evidence was staring them in the face (and gut, and thighs, and heart, and cholesterol, ....). So if I seem a bit incensed about false intellectualism, it's this sort of thing that leads me in that direction. Most fat slobs you see waddling down the road next to you are caused by false intellectualism by my reckoning.

Re: Why professors, pundits, and policy wonks misunderstand the world

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I think you're taking something personally that isn't at all intended that way, and I think that's making it difficult for you to appreciate the nuance in the statement to which you've responded. I understand why and I don't blame you for it, but I hope you're able to take a step back from the passion of the moment and reconsider; on the one hand, I think there's useful insight here, and on the other, I know it's not…

> he cited Soviet central economic planning as an extreme example of the sort of danger to which he refers. Any intellectualism that's divorced from reality and impervious to critique and verification does not deserve to be called intellectualism. It's ideology. There's nothing preventing you from making 5 year plans, as long as you adjust them continuously enough. The word to best describe the Soviet "intellectuals"…

"Any intellectualism that's divorced from reality and impervious to critique and verification does not deserve to be called intellectualism."

True, but that's a definitional debate. I would be happy to see the huge pile of ideology today masquerading as academia correctly renamed, but before that can happen it seems a lot of people (in the general sense, not targeting this statement at any individual) must be introduced to the idea that there are a lot of things currently labeled "academic" that are just ideology.

It's hard because you have to separate it on a case-by-case basis. I'm broadly unimpressed by most of what is called sociology but Jonathon Haidt particularly impresses me, for instance. I'm sure there are others who would impress me if I took the time to learn. But the field as a whole seem to have a gestalt consensus that strikes me as quite resistant to falsification.

Re: Why professors, pundits, and policy wonks misunderstand the world

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I think you're taking something personally that isn't at all intended that way, and I think that's making it difficult for you to appreciate the nuance in the statement to which you've responded. I understand why and I don't blame you for it, but I hope you're able to take a step back from the passion of the moment and reconsider; on the one hand, I think there's useful insight here, and on the other, I know it's not…

> he cited Soviet central economic planning as an extreme example of the sort of danger to which he refers. Any intellectualism that's divorced from reality and impervious to critique and verification does not deserve to be called intellectualism. It's ideology. There's nothing preventing you from making 5 year plans, as long as you adjust them continuously enough. The word to best describe the Soviet "intellectuals"…

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Re: Why professors, pundits, and policy wonks misunderstand the world

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Why do you regard UBI as foolish given that real-world context? I'm interested as opinions for and against it do tend to be from 30,000 feet.

The danger I see with UBI, is (in addition to possible inflation, etc.) is that commentators on HN tend to be of higher education, curious, and simply "hackers". Most people here would love to be payed money so they could sit and program some cool OSS, start a new company or simply change the world. For them, UBI is fantastic. How many more Googles/GNUs/Apples would there be if engineers could quit existing companies…

In other words, "those proles are so lazy that as long as they don't starve, they'd PREFER being poor"? People living on only UBI will still be relatively poor.

Look at all the lengths people throughout the ages have gone to to make money. People LIKE money. They like it so much they are willing to work for more of it, even when they already have enough to barely survive.

Re: Why professors, pundits, and policy wonks misunderstand the world

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> he cited Soviet central economic planning as an extreme example of the sort of danger to which he refers. Any intellectualism that's divorced from reality and impervious to critique and verification does not deserve to be called intellectualism. It's ideology. There's nothing preventing you from making 5 year plans, as long as you adjust them continuously enough. The word to best describe the Soviet "intellectuals"…

"Any intellectualism that's divorced from reality and impervious to critique and verification does not deserve to be called intellectualism." True, but that's a definitional debate. I would be happy to see the huge pile of ideology today masquerading as academia correctly renamed, but before that can happen it seems a lot of people (in the general sense, not targeting this statement at any individual) must be introdu…

It's very hard to falsify something when you can't run experiments and the number of samples is very limited and the subject of your study changes all the time. Even something supposedly more grounded like Economics suffers from both humans that are not perfectly rational and from "theories" that are nothing more than propaganda (think Mises)

Re: Why professors, pundits, and policy wonks misunderstand the world

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> This article is saying smart people don't understand how the world works because most of the world's people are average intelligence. Not at all. It says highly educated people are out of touch with the realities of life of average folks because these categories have very different ranges of first-hand experience.

Why do you think they have different ranges of first-hand experiences? It is undeniable that by any objective measure professors are smarter (in the sense of being better able to tackle intellectual problems) than the average population. Do you honestly think someone working at Burger King has a better understanding of the world than a professor? I urge you to actually have a conversation with such a person.

>Why do you think they have different ranges of first-hand experiences?

Because they had studied in a university (most people haven't), have a cushy academic job (most people don't), live in nicer neighborhoods, don't have to flip burgers or drive cabs to survive, more often than not have parents who were like that, and tons of other reasons besides.

>Do you honestly think someone working at Burger King has a better understanding of the world than a professor? I urge you to actually have a conversation with such a person.

And I urge you the same. Only don't ask him abstract stuff or history/etc, ask him pragmatic stuff about how the working world works, and about how most people live.

Re: Why professors, pundits, and policy wonks misunderstand the world

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One example I can think of off the top of my head would be automotive repair. If I can afford to let someone else do it, I will. That's not to say I don't think I could learn it if I needed to, but I don't ever need to. So, I'm happy to let someone "less educated" who knows more about engines do it. There are teenagers who know twice as much about how to fix a car issue. They don't know what the inside of a computer…

> There are teenagers who know twice as much about how to fix a car issue. They don't know what the inside of a computer looks like, but they don't need to. Now, take that example and extrapolate it to several other facets of life, and you can say there's a big gap in an educated person's world and that of his less-educated neighbor. Which is kind of irrelevant to the subject here, which is really about academics foc…

>which is really about academics focused on areas of social and policy significance having gaps in that specific subject area

In not just car mechanics. If you're focused on areas of "social and policy significance" it's even worse to be out of touch with social reality and the effects of policies.

And in fact much much worse (and much much more common) than an engineering professor who can't fix a car.

Re: Why professors, pundits, and policy wonks misunderstand the world

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Glad to see someone acknowledging the myopic view of most intellectuals. During my time in academia (PhD), I'll admit now I had very little idea of what life was like for the majority of people. Since then I've been living among many working class and poverty-level folks. Average household income in my neighborhood is <$22K (U.S.). As a result, my thinking has changed to unions are overall good ideas, UBI is foolish,…

The article is a swing and a miss. The problem is much deeper than the bias of being more educated and intellectual. It's that they believe singular "policy" can be made and then dictated top-down - that effects will be quickly visible and easily understandable. They're up against a hard problem in the computational complexity sense, yet it is in none of their interests to be honest and admit their limits.

Most of their ideas lack intellectual rigor and merely follow the fashions of power. BI in particular is a simplistic continuation of printing money to overstimulate the economy.

Re: Why professors, pundits, and policy wonks misunderstand the world

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>As a result, my thinking has changed to ... UBI is foolish Could you elaborate on what made you change your mind regarding UBI? It'd be interesting to hear your perspective on this.

Working class wants to work.

The working class wants to work because they derive their identity and significant meaning for existence from their jobs.

Replace that with something else and this thinking will change.

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