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Ardour 5 released

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Re: Ardour 5 released

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Post by archimedespi »

dawhead wrote: post #18
ronjouch wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just specialized distros like KX, Ardour is at your fingertips in vanilla Debian and Ubuntu - http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&suite=all&s... - https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ardour

Note that because distros build Ardour using their stock GTK+ stack, there are a few issues with their builds that are not present in the bundles from ardour.org. We (ardour.org) do not (and cannot) support distro-built versions of Ardour.

Why would stock GTK+ cause problems?

Re: Ardour 5 released

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Post by tunesmith »

The Lua scripting is interesting, I wonder if it's possible to basically mix an album with a text file you can check into Git.

I've already made that transition with my music notation projects using Lilypond, I actually have a (very short) full orchestra film score written in Lilypond - full text, nice diffs, revision history, committed to github.

Re: Ardour 5 released

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Post by Joeboy »

dawhead wrote: post #39
Joeboy wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a Free Software antipattern. Yes, there are things that exist that claim to do the same thing as commercial software. No, that doesn't necessarily mean they're actually functional replacements for that software. I mean some of them are, but there's no sampler that will painlessly play modern sample packs, no usable pitch correction, nothing a tenth as good at noise reduction / audio restoration as Izotope RX.…

That's all fair and correct. But why is there no Izotope on Linux? People gripe at free software developers for "not providing Izotope", when in reality that software represents years of dedicated R&D, something that most people are not willing to pay for (even on platforms other than Linux). The simple reason why Izotope and Kontakt and Melodyne are not available on Linux is not that free software developers haven't…

I don't gripe at free software developers for not providing Izotope, I gripe at people who pretend Audacity is the same thing. I think the usual result of this mis-selling is that people quickly go back to proprietary software with renewed hostility towards Free Software and its advocates.

Edit: To be clear that isn't intended as a gripe at Audacity, just at the misrepresentation of Audacity.

Re: Ardour 5 released

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Post by pjmlp »

ronjouch wrote: post #2

Ardour and JACK are fantastic pieces of software, and the love children of core developer Paul Davis, and many contributors. Paul is trying to make a full-time living with it, but funding is still far away from even modest objectives (he blogged about it, see [1]). The donation sidebar currently says: - August goal: US$6200 (US$74.4k/yr) - Total till now: US$2923.52 If you're into Linux/OSX audio (and now Windows, wi…

That is the biggest problem with FOSS for desktop use, you cannot hide it behind paywalls or consulting gigs, which makes very hard to make a living out of it.

I always try to donate to the projects I use frequently, as if I just had bought a software package.

Re: Ardour 5 released

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Post by dawhead »

archimedespi wrote: post #41
dawhead wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that because distros build Ardour using their stock GTK+ stack, there are a few issues with their builds that are not present in the bundles from ardour.org. We (ardour.org) do not (and cannot) support distro-built versions of Ardour.

Why would stock GTK+ cause problems?

The most common reason is that we ship our own version of the clearlooks theme engine to ensure that we control the appearance of GTK+ widgets, and we load our own GTK2 RC file to define colors etc. for those widgets.

This leads to 2 errors, one irritating, one that prevents the program from functioning.

Irritating: GTK+ loads the system GTK theme during a call to gtk_init(). If this theme is based on clearlooks but contains declarations unknown to our (older) version of Clearlooks, you get errors.

Blocking: GTK+ loads the system GTK theme during a call to gtk_init(). If the theme file defines a "color theme", then when Ardour defines its own, GTK will block for ever, because of a bug in GTK+2. This doesn't happen if the system GTK theme has no color theme definition.

Those are the two main issues. They cannot be worked around without rebuilding the GTK+ stack so that it cannot or will not load the system GTK theme.

Re: Ardour 5 released

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Post by peatfreak »

wtbob wrote: post #16
ashitlerferad wrote: post #10

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The GNOME program aims at getting more people involved in OSS projects: https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/ Personally, I think it is awesome and appreciate the great contributors I've seen come in through the program.

> Currently, internships are open internationally to women (cis and trans), trans men, and genderqueer people. Additionally, they are open to residents and nationals of the United States of any gender who are Black/African American, Hispanic/Latin@, American Indian, Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, or Pacific Islander. It's have been quicker to write, 'internships are open to everyone but white, heterosexual men,' but…

> How utterly despicable.

> Perhaps Paul Davis could apply, and claim to be Pauline Davis for internship purposes.

How utterly reactionary.

Moreover, do you realize just how despicably transphobic or queerphobic this statement is? The irony in your comment is appalling. Your comment is a perfect example of precisely why we do need to support people who don't conform to heteronormative stereotypes.

Re: Ardour 5 released

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

tunesmith wrote: post #42

The Lua scripting is interesting, I wonder if it's possible to basically mix an album with a text file you can check into Git. I've already made that transition with my music notation projects using Lilypond, I actually have a (very short) full orchestra film score written in Lilypond - full text, nice diffs, revision history, committed to github.

Scripting with version control sounds very useful to me, since I typically use a very similar recording setup, but may do slight modifications.

Re: Ardour 5 released

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Post by biot »

spacelizard wrote: post #30
RIMR wrote: post #27

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Just build your own binary if you don't want to pay. You can't really complain when they're giving the source code to you for free.

Yes you can, but that's beside the point. For a complicated application like this there obviously is value in both the source code and the pre-built binaries. I think people would be a little less annoyed if this didn't seem to be copping sales techniques from sketchy outdated proprietary business models (Prices not posted up front? Free version has time limitations??) and instead did something that was more sustaina…

  > there obviously is value in [...]
  > the pre-built binaries
Yet you object to having to pay for that value? If it's of no value, compile it yourself at no cost.

Re: Ardour 5 released

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Post by archimedespi »

dawhead wrote: post #45
archimedespi wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would stock GTK+ cause problems?

The most common reason is that we ship our own version of the clearlooks theme engine to ensure that we control the appearance of GTK+ widgets, and we load our own GTK2 RC file to define colors etc. for those widgets. This leads to 2 errors, one irritating, one that prevents the program from functioning. Irritating: GTK+ loads the system GTK theme during a call to gtk_init(). If this theme is based on clearlooks but…

Thank you for explaining!

If you've contacted GTK about upstreaming your patches, what was their response? I'd be surprised if they didn't want to.

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