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Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to run your own mail server for personal use?

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One little trick that I rarely see mentioned for working around the negative or neutral reputation your MTA's IP might have is that you can route your outgoing emails through another MTA that has a higher reputation. For example route them through smtp.gmail.com (or for other options see https://support.google.com/a/answer/176600?hl=en ). It does not mean you have to use Gmail. It does not mean you have to change you…

This completely defeats the original purpose of this HN. Why would anyone invest effort in hosting an independent email server to have all its content routed clear-text through Google's servers/databases?

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It's worth checking whether you're running IPv6. It does become very relevant. e.g., SPF records need to include it, it must also have a good rDNS, etc. In particular, I know gmail hold IPv6 to higher standards. Some things (e.g. rDNS) that we traditionally treat as 'should', gmail will treat as 'must' over IPv6 - it's being treated as a chance to drop a lot of legacy leeway. I do run my own MTA. It's not high-mainte…

What is MTA?

"what he said". The Mail Transfer Agent (e.g. postfix, exim, etc) is the part of a mailserver that accepts mail, hands it off to a delivery agent if it's local, or hands it off to the recipient's MTA if it's not.

Basically it's the component that handles SMTP. Local delivery, pop3, imap, etc are almost always handed off to another component.

It's usually the difficult component because it's the service that other hosts will interact with. So if my imap service misbehaves, it annoys me until its fixed. If my MTA misbehaves, it's a lasting black mark against my host's reputation.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to run your own mail server for personal use?

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post #59

It's absolutely possible to run an email server in 2016 and I encourage anyone capable to do so! Email is one of the bastions of the decentralised Internet and we should hang on to it. Every day more and more people are moving to Gmail/Hotmail/Outlook and while I do understand the reasons, it also puts more and more power into the hands of these providers and the little guy (us) gets more screwed (like marked as junk…

SPF, DKIM, DMARC could be dropped if you actually use aws ses to send your mails, you can actually forward the mails there. So it's pretty impossible that your messages will be in spam. The only thing you need to manage is incoming mail now and not being a open relay.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to run your own mail server for personal use?

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post #88

One little trick that I rarely see mentioned for working around the negative or neutral reputation your MTA's IP might have is that you can route your outgoing emails through another MTA that has a higher reputation. For example route them through smtp.gmail.com (or for other options see https://support.google.com/a/answer/176600?hl=en ). It does not mean you have to use Gmail. It does not mean you have to change you…

Huh..never thought of this. I run my own e-mail server on a Linode. I have constant trouble not being classified as spam. I did a whole post on it: http://penguindreams.org/blog/how-google-and-microsoft-made-... The sad reality is, I'm thinking of moving my e-mail back to someone else. It might be Fastmail, might be Amazon. Running my own e-mail server is a pain and I hate having to send people a message on Facebook…

I did a similar thing 2 years ago and chose Fastmail. Their web-app is best of breed ex google -- unfortunately, the honest truth is nothing is as good as gmail web + gmail apps + google cal.

Fastmail does have more issues -- lack of fit and finish, their web app is sometimes buggy, their spam detection is buggy, it's imap, the lack of gmail style conversations being the fundamental unit of work in the app shines through sometimes, the gmail app on android does not interact well with fastmail, etc. However, they have recently fixed my biggest complaints: charging 11 cents per sms message to do 2fa and their rules interface looking like it was written as a my-first-javascript project. So it's actively improving. I like it enough that I recently re-upped for another two years.

They do enjoy one big advantage over google besides privacy: tech support! Like a human, that reads and responds to issues submitted through their site! I've contacted them twice with questions about setting up my domain and one other thing and I got replies, from someone who knew what she/he was doing, within an hour each time!

Also, they will do a catch-all address (eg xoxo@xoxo.com) which receives email from every address not specifically defined. Thus you can implement the best anti-spam technique: every email you give out is domain@xoxo.com which forwards to you@x0x0.com so you can tell exactly who sold or leaked your email address. eg latimes@x0x0.com was sold all over the place.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to run your own mail server for personal use?

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Of course it is. I've been doing it since 2001 or so. It isn't as easy as it should be, but it isn't that hard, either.

I had problems with mail acceptance only once, when one of my ISPs got me an IP address that was either used by a spammer in the past, or was in the same subnet that the spammers used. Other than that, no problems over the past 15 years, and I switched providers and systems at least three times over that time.

I'd encourage everyone to go ahead and do it. It isn't very hard, cost on the order of several dollars/euros a month, and you finally own your E-mail. I find it appalling that most people either use company E-mail (it isn't yours, anyone can read it, and if you part ways with the company you have a problem) or Google Gmail (Google does read it, trains its algorithms on it, and targets advertising based on that).

Don't worry too much about DKIM. It is no longer a good signal anyway, most spam gets it right.

So, if you're capable of it, go ahead and run your own mail server. I wish more people did it, so that we could avoid the "big guys" restricting E-mail. If more individuals ran their own servers, we could democratize E-mail again: it wouldn't be that easy to just reject E-mail for no good reason.

For the reference, the software I use right now is: Ubuntu LTS, postfix, postgrey, amavis, dovecot. I rent a virtual server at Hetzner.de.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to run your own mail server for personal use?

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post #123
post #59

It's absolutely possible to run an email server in 2016 and I encourage anyone capable to do so! Email is one of the bastions of the decentralised Internet and we should hang on to it. Every day more and more people are moving to Gmail/Hotmail/Outlook and while I do understand the reasons, it also puts more and more power into the hands of these providers and the little guy (us) gets more screwed (like marked as junk…

SPF, DKIM, DMARC could be dropped if you actually use aws ses to send your mails, you can actually forward the mails there. So it's pretty impossible that your messages will be in spam. The only thing you need to manage is incoming mail now and not being a open relay.

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Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to run your own mail server for personal use?

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post #123
post #59

It's absolutely possible to run an email server in 2016 and I encourage anyone capable to do so! Email is one of the bastions of the decentralised Internet and we should hang on to it. Every day more and more people are moving to Gmail/Hotmail/Outlook and while I do understand the reasons, it also puts more and more power into the hands of these providers and the little guy (us) gets more screwed (like marked as junk…

SPF, DKIM, DMARC could be dropped if you actually use aws ses to send your mails, you can actually forward the mails there. So it's pretty impossible that your messages will be in spam. The only thing you need to manage is incoming mail now and not being a open relay.

And if you still want them, AWS supports enabling these for your outgoing emails.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to run your own mail server for personal use?

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post #121
post #88

One little trick that I rarely see mentioned for working around the negative or neutral reputation your MTA's IP might have is that you can route your outgoing emails through another MTA that has a higher reputation. For example route them through smtp.gmail.com (or for other options see https://support.google.com/a/answer/176600?hl=en ). It does not mean you have to use Gmail. It does not mean you have to change you…

This completely defeats the original purpose of this HN. Why would anyone invest effort in hosting an independent email server to have all its content routed clear-text through Google's servers/databases?

They are talking about MTA output. Mail input and archiving are still important factors.

I personally want to control my input addresses.

Hosting your own you can get funky wildcard postboxen.

Hosting your own you can archive all the mail without 3rd party approval.

I can see the advantage of the small amount of outbound being via someone else.

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