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'Mutable' Torrents Proposal Makes BitTorrent More Resilient

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Re: 'Mutable' Torrents Proposal Makes BitTorrent More Resilient

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Post by bobsgame »

I have had an idea for a new type of torrent (or better yet, onion routed torrents like Tribler) that is updatable by the original author for some time.

This would be useful, for instance, to have a torrent of a video series which always contains the latest episode instead of creating a new torrent each time, so the torrent would act more like subscription or RSS feed, which would encourage seeding as well since you would need to keep the torrent active in your client.

One major problem is malicious authors who would update a "verified" torrent with one that contains malware. Perhaps the torrent could somehow contain user reviews, and those reviews would be deprecated upon each update.

Does anything like this exist yet? Any other ideas on how to solve the malicious author issue?

This seems to differ from what is being proposed, which if I am understanding correctly is something like a link to an RSS feed which provides updates to an archive of torrents. Could this provide similar functionality to what I propose?

Re: 'Mutable' Torrents Proposal Makes BitTorrent More Resilient

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Post by franknord23 »

bobsgame wrote: post #3

I have had an idea for a new type of torrent (or better yet, onion routed torrents like Tribler) that is updatable by the original author for some time. This would be useful, for instance, to have a torrent of a video series which always contains the latest episode instead of creating a new torrent each time, so the torrent would act more like subscription or RSS feed, which would encourage seeding as well since you…

The situation is somewhat similar to Certificate Authorities. CAs are trusted at differing degrees and also have to watch out not to get their root certificate stolen.

Re: 'Mutable' Torrents Proposal Makes BitTorrent More Resilient

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Post by nefariousoctopi »

bobsgame wrote: post #3

I have had an idea for a new type of torrent (or better yet, onion routed torrents like Tribler) that is updatable by the original author for some time. This would be useful, for instance, to have a torrent of a video series which always contains the latest episode instead of creating a new torrent each time, so the torrent would act more like subscription or RSS feed, which would encourage seeding as well since you…

I think that this is pretty much what IPFS [1] (and others I cannot remember right now) does. If I remember correctly, it builds on some of the BitTorrent ideas, but does not implement whole BitTorrent protocol.

It might be interesting to integrate IPFS into standard BitTorrent clients.

[1]: https://ipfs.io/

EDIT: Of course I ment IPFS in combination with IPNS (Inter-Planetary Name System)

Re: 'Mutable' Torrents Proposal Makes BitTorrent More Resilient

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Post by im4w1l »

bobsgame wrote: post #3

I have had an idea for a new type of torrent (or better yet, onion routed torrents like Tribler) that is updatable by the original author for some time. This would be useful, for instance, to have a torrent of a video series which always contains the latest episode instead of creating a new torrent each time, so the torrent would act more like subscription or RSS feed, which would encourage seeding as well since you…

Existing torrent clients already support RSS.

Re: 'Mutable' Torrents Proposal Makes BitTorrent More Resilient

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Post by toomuchtodo »

nefariousoctopi wrote: post #5
bobsgame wrote: post #3

I have had an idea for a new type of torrent (or better yet, onion routed torrents like Tribler) that is updatable by the original author for some time. This would be useful, for instance, to have a torrent of a video series which always contains the latest episode instead of creating a new torrent each time, so the torrent would act more like subscription or RSS feed, which would encourage seeding as well since you…

I think that this is pretty much what IPFS [1] (and others I cannot remember right now) does. If I remember correctly, it builds on some of the BitTorrent ideas, but does not implement whole BitTorrent protocol. It might be interesting to integrate IPFS into standard BitTorrent clients. [1]: https://ipfs.io/ EDIT: Of course I ment IPFS in combination with IPNS (Inter-Planetary Name System)

IPFS is most definitely the long term solution, but I'm now of the opinion that in order to bridge the gap, IPFS needs to incorporate the Bittorrent protocol so you're serving IPFS from "supernodes". These nodes would abstract away Bittorrent and IPFS to the underlying data, since its SHA hashes all the way down (both entire objects, and chunks of the object).

Think of how S3 can serve content either via HTTP or via torrent for each object. Same idea, except with a distributed announcement/hash table.

Re: 'Mutable' Torrents Proposal Makes BitTorrent More Resilient

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Post by toomuchtodo »

im4w1l wrote: post #6
bobsgame wrote: post #3

I have had an idea for a new type of torrent (or better yet, onion routed torrents like Tribler) that is updatable by the original author for some time. This would be useful, for instance, to have a torrent of a video series which always contains the latest episode instead of creating a new torrent each time, so the torrent would act more like subscription or RSS feed, which would encourage seeding as well since you…

Existing torrent clients already support RSS.

They support using RSS to obtain torrent data. OP is insinuating using a torrent as RSS is being used now, to make it resilient.
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