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Re: Hacker Releases More Democratic Party Documents

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Post by ting_bu_dung »

So it looks like Trump might have solid ties with Russia, and through some connections might be triggering all the Russian hacking of only the democratic party. Doesn't bode well for American democracy when Russian dictator can sneak in a candidate for president.

- Trump's manager, Paul Manafort, has done multimillion-dollar business deals with pro-Russian oligarchs and was a longtime adviser to the Russia-aligned Ukrainian president whose 2014 ouster triggered Russia’s intervention in Ukraine, a major source of tension between Russia and the United States as well as its NATO allies.

- On the campaign trail, Trump has called for a new partnership with Moscow, overhauling NATO, the allied military force seen as the chief protector of pro-Western nations near Russia

- Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financ...

Re: Hacker Releases More Democratic Party Documents

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Post by jmnicolas »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #8
chvid wrote: post #6

Why does the actual source: https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/08/12/guccifer-2-0-hack... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12279977 get flag-killed immediately where as this somewhat colored article gets on the frontpage?

... was wondering too. The screenshots in the NYT article look like "teaser-advertisements", while the actual sources are a big taboo. Keep in mind that Guccifer2 isn't a lone hacker as initially portrayed. Guccifer2 is a cover for APT-28/APT-29 (GRU). So if anything then this leak has to be considered for what it was: A foreign nation meddling in the elections of another. Current Russian meddling fits seamlessly int…

Do you really think that the Russians would interfere so blatantly ? They're not stupid, these hacks deserve them.

The only one that has to gain from this hacks is Hillary : she looks like the poor victim of the evil Russians and their agent Trump.

Re: Hacker Releases More Democratic Party Documents

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Post by jbapple »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #8
chvid wrote: post #6

Why does the actual source: https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/08/12/guccifer-2-0-hack... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12279977 get flag-killed immediately where as this somewhat colored article gets on the frontpage?

... was wondering too. The screenshots in the NYT article look like "teaser-advertisements", while the actual sources are a big taboo. Keep in mind that Guccifer2 isn't a lone hacker as initially portrayed. Guccifer2 is a cover for APT-28/APT-29 (GRU). So if anything then this leak has to be considered for what it was: A foreign nation meddling in the elections of another. Current Russian meddling fits seamlessly int…

> Guccifer2 is a cover for APT-28/APT-29 (GRU).

How do you know? The NYT keeps using the passive voice ("believed to be tied to the Russian intelligence") or saying that some unnamed "American intelligence officials" told them so. Even when they name the officials, they don't say how they determined it.

Re: Hacker Releases More Democratic Party Documents

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Post by gloverkcn »

jmnicolas wrote: post #22
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... was wondering too. The screenshots in the NYT article look like "teaser-advertisements", while the actual sources are a big taboo. Keep in mind that Guccifer2 isn't a lone hacker as initially portrayed. Guccifer2 is a cover for APT-28/APT-29 (GRU). So if anything then this leak has to be considered for what it was: A foreign nation meddling in the elections of another. Current Russian meddling fits seamlessly int…

Do you really think that the Russians would interfere so blatantly ? They're not stupid, these hacks deserve them. The only one that has to gain from this hacks is Hillary : she looks like the poor victim of the evil Russians and their agent Trump.

Are you suggesting that Hillary realesed the emails to get an anti-Russian sympathy vote?

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Post by threeseed »

vermontdevil wrote: post #20

Maybe now Diane Feinstein will see the value of end to end encryption? Doubt it. She'll probably advocate that only for herself and her Senate colleagues.

Nobody disputes the value of end to end encryption. That's not the issue.

The problem of encryption is that it changes the relationship between government and individual in a way that has never been seen before. If a person is suspected of committing a crime the police have always had the ability to intercept mail, record calls, search property etc and obtain evidence. They can't do that now.

You can argue the pros/cons of this new world order. What you can't argue against is the natural inclination of many people to simply maintain the status quo.

Re: Hacker Releases More Democratic Party Documents

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Post by mark_l_watson »

Is Wikileaks announcement that the recently murdered DNC staff member was the source of the leaks, not Russian hackers, credible? I don't know, and in anycase I consider the source of the leaks to be much less important than the contents of the leaks.

When we watch a good magician, they entertain us by using misdirection. Unfortunately, when the deep state and the media they control use misdirection it is not fun or entertaining, it is about getting the population to go along with policies against the public's interests, against the interests of peace and prosperity, etc.

Re: Hacker Releases More Democratic Party Documents

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Post by threeseed »

ting_bu_dung wrote: post #21

So it looks like Trump might have solid ties with Russia, and through some connections might be triggering all the Russian hacking of only the democratic party. Doesn't bode well for American democracy when Russian dictator can sneak in a candidate for president. - Trump's manager, Paul Manafort, has done multimillion-dollar business deals with pro-Russian oligarchs and was a longtime adviser to the Russia-aligned Uk…

I doubt that Trump or his campaign would be actively lobbying the Russian government.

There is plenty of motivation elsewhere to do so. Russia would be a major loser given that Hillary would far more decisive and bold with her foreign policy decisions. Assange benefits because a Trump government would be more amenable to immunity negotiations. And Wikileaks benefits from all the publicity.

Re: Hacker Releases More Democratic Party Documents

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Post by ting_bu_dung »

threeseed wrote: post #28
ting_bu_dung wrote: post #21

So it looks like Trump might have solid ties with Russia, and through some connections might be triggering all the Russian hacking of only the democratic party. Doesn't bode well for American democracy when Russian dictator can sneak in a candidate for president. - Trump's manager, Paul Manafort, has done multimillion-dollar business deals with pro-Russian oligarchs and was a longtime adviser to the Russia-aligned Uk…

I doubt that Trump or his campaign would be actively lobbying the Russian government. There is plenty of motivation elsewhere to do so. Russia would be a major loser given that Hillary would far more decisive and bold with her foreign policy decisions. Assange benefits because a Trump government would be more amenable to immunity negotiations. And Wikileaks benefits from all the publicity.

Trump publically called on Russia to hack on Hillary

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-r...

Re: Hacker Releases More Democratic Party Documents

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Post by tomohawk »

ting_bu_dung wrote: post #21

So it looks like Trump might have solid ties with Russia, and through some connections might be triggering all the Russian hacking of only the democratic party. Doesn't bode well for American democracy when Russian dictator can sneak in a candidate for president. - Trump's manager, Paul Manafort, has done multimillion-dollar business deals with pro-Russian oligarchs and was a longtime adviser to the Russia-aligned Uk…

Not sure what Trump has to do with this thread other than as a distraction.

Hillary has plenty of ties to Russia, as shown by the nuclear deal in which the Clinton Global Initiative received $145M and Bill Clinton Received $500K for a speech. As part of the deal Hillary, as Secretary of State, reversed direction and approved the sale of uranium mining companies to Russia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-...

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