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Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by dageshi » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 12:59 PM UTC

crazydude202 wrote: post #16

fithisux wrote: post #5

And start treating nicotine like heroin.

I believe cigarettes and other tobacco products should be unlawful. If one wants to grow and dry their own tobacco to smoke, I am okay with that. But, productizing addiction of known deleterious substances should be illegal.

I would not conflate "all tobacco products" with cigarettes. I smoke cigars, you don't inhale cigars, they're not designed to be inhaled and in my experience and the experience of the people who I know who also smoke them, they are not addictive to the majority who smoke them.

I am not disputing that cigarettes are indeed addictive, overwhelming evidence suggests that they are, but cigars in my experience are not and I would guess pipe smokers would also fall into the same category.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by eli » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:00 PM UTC

crazydude202 wrote: post #16

fithisux wrote: post #5

And start treating nicotine like heroin.

I believe cigarettes and other tobacco products should be unlawful. If one wants to grow and dry their own tobacco to smoke, I am okay with that. But, productizing addiction of known deleterious substances should be illegal.

That wasn't super successful when attempted with alcohol.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by ryanlol » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:03 PM UTC

mbrock wrote: post #17

martinald wrote: post #13

While I'm totally for drug (all drugs - not just cannabis) legalisation/regulation, I do think the "dangers" of marijuana have been really downplayed over the last few years. I know a lot of people at university who got into smoking it very often and basically lost 10+ years of their life to complete apathy to anything. Some have now stopped and are totally different people - just 10 years behind. While it doesn't ca…

Some of that might be because they are afraid if they go outside they'll be arrested.

Is that actually common? Don't know about the US but haven't seen very much of that in the rest of the world.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by Donzo » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:04 PM UTC

martinald wrote: post #13

While I'm totally for drug (all drugs - not just cannabis) legalisation/regulation, I do think the "dangers" of marijuana have been really downplayed over the last few years. I know a lot of people at university who got into smoking it very often and basically lost 10+ years of their life to complete apathy to anything. Some have now stopped and are totally different people - just 10 years behind. While it doesn't ca…

And I have anecdotal evidence of people smoking marijuana everyday for 10-20 years and remaining extremely productive.

Oftentimes drug use is a symptom of a greater psychological problem/issue. Perhaps the underlying issues are causing the negative behaviors and the drugs are only enabling it.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by icebraining » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:05 PM UTC

crazydude202 wrote: post #16

fithisux wrote: post #5

And start treating nicotine like heroin.

I believe cigarettes and other tobacco products should be unlawful. If one wants to grow and dry their own tobacco to smoke, I am okay with that. But, productizing addiction of known deleterious substances should be illegal.

But, productizing addiction of known deleterious substances should be illegal.

Are you really willing to give up on sugar?

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by meira » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:06 PM UTC

ryanlol wrote: post #33

mbrock wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of that might be because they are afraid if they go outside they'll be arrested.

Is that actually common? Don't know about the US but haven't seen very much of that in the rest of the world.

Yeah, totally common (Brazil)

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by pbhjpbhj » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:07 PM UTC

Donzo wrote: post #34

martinald wrote: post #13

While I'm totally for drug (all drugs - not just cannabis) legalisation/regulation, I do think the "dangers" of marijuana have been really downplayed over the last few years. I know a lot of people at university who got into smoking it very often and basically lost 10+ years of their life to complete apathy to anything. Some have now stopped and are totally different people - just 10 years behind. While it doesn't ca…

And I have anecdotal evidence of people smoking marijuana everyday for 10-20 years and remaining extremely productive. Oftentimes drug use is a symptom of a greater psychological problem/issue. Perhaps the underlying issues are causing the negative behaviors and the drugs are only enabling it.

>anecdotal evidence of people smoking marijuana everyday for 10-20 years and remaining extremely productive. //

What roles, in what areas, have they risen to in this time?

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by cocotino » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:08 PM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #8

Do I understand it right? Even in states with legalised recreational use you can't do research on cannabis without DEA approval?

That's like asking for alcohol that is not denaturalised. You need to prove it's for... well, serious purposes.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by imaginenore » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:09 PM UTC

pacala wrote: post #25

qaq wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost anything can be addictive not much we can do about it.

addiction + adverse effects on one's brain/life. There are a lot of benign addictions, which we call habits. We should be a bit more careful in casually classifying marijuana as benign on grounds that is not as bad as heroin. Edit. "Classifying" in educational sense, not in legal sense.

By that logic sugar should be highly illegal. Obesity kills orders of magnitude more people than heroin.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Post by arca_vorago » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:10 PM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #8

Do I understand it right? Even in states with legalised recreational use you can't do research on cannabis without DEA approval?

Its actually mich worse than that. AFAIk the only place that produced the only stuff they did allow to be used for research was a Uni in Mississippi. The real kicker is that they were extracting THC from the plant matter, then spraying the thc on plant matter in measured doses! So they werent/arent even allowing the few people allowed to do research on actual normal mj! What about all those other cannabanoids!?

Look, bottom line to me as a Constitutionalist, is that no one can tell me what I can or cant do with my body. It's unconstitutional to make illegal, and while theres plenty more for why it shouldnt be illegal, thats all I need to know to be pro legalization.