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Re: Meme pages plan mass revolt against alleged Facebook bias

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Post by meowface » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 5:54 AM UTC

pdkl95 wrote: post #49

niftich wrote: post #32

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4chan, or more specifically, /b/, moves fast and several mechanisms (like the 150-image limit per thread) are in place to keep it that way. The limited lifetime and ephemerality of content encourages people to save things they find good, to be reposted later and frequently for others to see. Therefore the /b/ experience, although often trashy at best, vulgar and hateful at worst, does allow good content to organicall…

> The limited lifetime and ephemerality of content While I love[1] the idea of having a place for ephemeral anonymous communicationj, that may have been only a local feature. As Jason Scott said[2], "You're like, 'No one notices if I post on 4chan.' [...] I have ten million archived threads of 4chan, for five years." I'm sure that number has grown in the years since he said that. 4chan only seems ephemeral. [1] I tot…

Archives of individual 4chan boards are also growing more in demand. The more niche boards seem to like being able to search through past discussions. It's extremely useful for finding new artists via /mu/, for example.

Re: Meme pages plan mass revolt against alleged Facebook bias

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Post by meowface » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 5:59 AM UTC

shpx wrote: post #46

noobermin wrote: post #4

topic: a number of these have "Japanese" in the titles. There is a internet-subculture called "vaporwave" connected with the "dank meme" people. There are...inspired by Japanese culture, they most likely aren't Japanese. OT rant: this page has made almost 600 requests in the last 4 minutes[0]. My connection isn't the best and I'm seeing a direct effect. Is this the new standard for news sites? And it's still pulling…

For those interested in vaporwave here's a "documentary" [0]. If you're interested you should listen to this album [1]. I like anything by t e l e p a t h テレパシー能力者, like [2] and [3] are good albums. There's a related genre called Future Funk [4]. There's a few albums that mix trap with vaporwave like [5] (my all time favorite song right now) and [6]. Here are some more albums I like [7] [8]. If you want even more the…

Worth noting that the genre first started with Daniel Lopatin / Oneohtrix Point Never's work as "Chuck Person" and sunsetcorp. These are generally considered the very first vaporwave tracks:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFunvF0mDw - nobody here

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unN7QvSWSTo - Chuck Person's Eccojams Vol. 1

Subjectively, I find this work (and Lopatin's other projects) to be superior to nearly all of the so-called "meme vaporwave" that popped up as a result. I do enjoy telepath/HKE/2814's ambient work, but it's not really vaporwave akin to either the Chuck Person style or the Vektroid style.

In line with the thread, all three of those styles were definitely initially signal boosted by 4chan and "meme culture" / Internet irony culture / "weird [X]" / whatever some media outlet wants to call it.

Re: Meme pages plan mass revolt against alleged Facebook bias

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Post by pdkl95 » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 6:03 AM UTC

fbonetti wrote: post #41

skylan_q wrote: post #27

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fill some sort of creative void memes are the only culture we're producing right now

> memes are the only culture we're producing right now We live in an age where you can access any genre of music, any artwork, any TV shows and any movies from any culture on planet Earth with the click of button. We live in an age where people with obscure artistic talents can find online communities and actually make a living. People who are hobbyists can create high quality podcasts and youtube videos and have a g…

> access any genre of music

You can access it as a consumer, but you cannot use it in the continuation of culture. I have lost count of the number of times I have watched entertainers on YouTube briefly panic when themselves or a guest starts singing (badly) a few bars of a song or humming a culturally-important melody. The fear is usually based on past experience with YouTube's ContentID system detecting the "song" and sending all revenue from that video to someone else.

People can create wonderful content on youtube, but they shouldn't have to live in fear of losing all profit and even their entire channel over 5 seconds of bad folk singing.

Re: Meme pages plan mass revolt against alleged Facebook bias

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Post by forthwall » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 6:12 AM UTC

s_m_t wrote: post #3

Do these pages make money by reposting content from other people and sites or do they just like getting likes?

Most do it for fun, when pages usually monetize, it's usually from selling shirts. Advertising is a big no-no in this community and often lead to loss of likes and comments including the words "shill"

Re: Meme pages plan mass revolt against alleged Facebook bias

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Post by Qwertie » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 7:59 AM UTC

s_m_t wrote: post #3

Do these pages make money by reposting content from other people and sites or do they just like getting likes?

Some pages have there own websites which get ad views and the reposts help drive traffic to their website

Re: Meme pages plan mass revolt against alleged Facebook bias

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Post by hga » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 8:15 AM UTC

noobermin wrote: post #37

taneq wrote: post #26

I think the underlying problem here which will have to be addressed at some point is that there's no recourse and often no real communication when a company decides to ban a person or delete content. There needs to be a consistent freedom-of-information style mechanism where someone can request a review of a decision by a human, and a non-generic explanation, accompanied by a chance to download a copy of the deleted…

The issue with that is we are assuming that someone has the same freedoms in a public park that they do in a hotel lobby. Some are truly unalienable, but if the manager wants you out, damn your freedom, you're on private property. I'm not sure what the remedy is, if there can be one. fb is essentially a social utility, but it is a private entity and since you click a checkbox under a terms of service, so they can do…

The same "private property" where I can run a segregated lunch counter or refuse to bake a gay wedding cake?

Sorry, truly private property and the previous principles of negative freedom of association died a hard death in the 1960s, and it's only a matter of time until Facebook et. al. are brought to heel (or worse).

Re: Meme pages plan mass revolt against alleged Facebook bias

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Post by dvcrn » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 10:28 AM UTC

This site is literally unusable for me. I don't know what it's doing in the background but I can't let it load. I had to open it and immediately start the Safari reader to be able to read this article.

Re: Meme pages plan mass revolt against alleged Facebook bias

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Post by skylan_q » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:30 PM UTC

grenoire wrote: post #47

skylan_q wrote: post #39

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no, i'm actually being genuine. i can only watch pulp fiction so many times before i realize the same movie is being made over and over again

no, i'm actually being genuine. i can only look at image macros so many times before i realize the same image macro is being made over and over again

there's much more to memes than image macros

that's like saying "seen one painting, seen them all!"

Re: Meme pages plan mass revolt against alleged Facebook bias

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Post by skylan_q » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:31 PM UTC

pdkl95 wrote: post #53

fbonetti wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> memes are the only culture we're producing right now We live in an age where you can access any genre of music, any artwork, any TV shows and any movies from any culture on planet Earth with the click of button. We live in an age where people with obscure artistic talents can find online communities and actually make a living. People who are hobbyists can create high quality podcasts and youtube videos and have a g…

> access any genre of music You can access it as a consumer , but you cannot use it in the continuation of culture. I have lost count of the number of times I have watched entertainers on YouTube briefly panic when themselves or a guest starts singing (badly) a few bars of a song or humming a culturally-important melody. The fear is usually based on past experience with YouTube's ContentID system detecting the "song"…

You can access it as a consumer, but you cannot use it in the continuation of culture.

Very important point.

Re: Meme pages plan mass revolt against alleged Facebook bias

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Post by skylan_q » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 1:36 PM UTC

fbonetti wrote: post #41

skylan_q wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fill some sort of creative void memes are the only culture we're producing right now

> memes are the only culture we're producing right now We live in an age where you can access any genre of music, any artwork, any TV shows and any movies from any culture on planet Earth with the click of button. We live in an age where people with obscure artistic talents can find online communities and actually make a living. People who are hobbyists can create high quality podcasts and youtube videos and have a g…

The media produced there comes of the same forms/motivations telling the same stories again and again.

1) Profit-driven

2) Gov't-funded (state welfare art to reinforce state propaganda tropes)

3) Promotion of a social cause everyone already knows about or already half-heartedly believes in

Everything produced of the above 3 forms will be forgotten within 20-50 years and adds nothing to the discussion and advancement of art, culture, or philosophy.