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Post by fbonetti »

skylan_q wrote: post #27
adamnemecek wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

say what you will about memes but i think that the fact that people are making memes hints at the fact that they are trying to fill some sort of creative void. yes, they are stupid but it's a step up from the previous state which was no creative expression at all.

fill some sort of creative void memes are the only culture we're producing right now

> memes are the only culture we're producing right now

We live in an age where you can access any genre of music, any artwork, any TV shows and any movies from any culture on planet Earth with the click of button. We live in an age where people with obscure artistic talents can find online communities and actually make a living. People who are hobbyists can create high quality podcasts and youtube videos and have a global audience of millions, without any need for a middle man.

If you truly believe that memes are the only form of culture being produced right now, you live under a rock.

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Post by mintplant »

benkant wrote: post #36
noobermin wrote: post #4

topic: a number of these have "Japanese" in the titles. There is a internet-subculture called "vaporwave" connected with the "dank meme" people. There are...inspired by Japanese culture, they most likely aren't Japanese. OT rant: this page has made almost 600 requests in the last 4 minutes[0]. My connection isn't the best and I'm seeing a direct effect. Is this the new standard for news sites? And it's still pulling…

A lot of this content originates from 4chan and other image boards.

Don't forget Turntable.fm which was ground zero for much of the original Vaporwave movement. Sadly the site itself is no longer with us.

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Post by mytddu »

sotojuan wrote: post #10
noobermin wrote: post #4

topic: a number of these have "Japanese" in the titles. There is a internet-subculture called "vaporwave" connected with the "dank meme" people. There are...inspired by Japanese culture, they most likely aren't Japanese. OT rant: this page has made almost 600 requests in the last 4 minutes[0]. My connection isn't the best and I'm seeing a direct effect. Is this the new standard for news sites? And it's still pulling…

I don't think they're inspired by Japanese culture as much as have random Japanese characters for no reason and sometimes random anime characters as some form of irony.

Vaporwave is inspired by hollow consumerism and the false promise of technology ("vaporware"). Vaporwave takes it aesthetic from dated software, corporate brochures, etc. of the 80s and early 90s and often takes samples from muzak that would've been heard in a garish shopping mall of that era. The Japanese artist names and song titles originate from, I presume, the tech and manufacturing boom in Japan during the 80s and 90s, a time period when Japanese products constituted a large part of the American consumer experience.

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Post by MichaelGG »

corndoge wrote: post #2

really thought provoking material here

It really did make me think. Are they planning on rigorously testing different types of content to uncover bias? I'm not sure that publishing the intent beforehand is good, but OTOH Facebook probably isn't paying close attention.

It'd be interesting to see other types of posts be tried across different pages to reveal bias. But it has to be properly done, so FB can't deny it later.

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Post by shpx »

noobermin wrote: post #4

topic: a number of these have "Japanese" in the titles. There is a internet-subculture called "vaporwave" connected with the "dank meme" people. There are...inspired by Japanese culture, they most likely aren't Japanese. OT rant: this page has made almost 600 requests in the last 4 minutes[0]. My connection isn't the best and I'm seeing a direct effect. Is this the new standard for news sites? And it's still pulling…

For those interested in vaporwave here's a "documentary" [0]. If you're interested you should listen to this album [1]. I like anything by t e l e p a t h テレパシー能力者, like [2] and [3] are good albums. There's a related genre called Future Funk [4]. There's a few albums that mix trap with vaporwave like [5] (my all time favorite song right now) and [6].

Here are some more albums I like [7] [8].

If you want even more then here's a list of around 200 albums [9] and of course, if it's not your cup of tea, feel free to dismiss this as a bunch of hipster shit.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdpP0mXOlWM although I think he's really stretching at times.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9L4q-0Pi4E ２８１４ - 新しい日の誕生/Birth of a New Day

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PdDI2swEaw t e l e p a t h テレパシー能力者 - 現実を超えて

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQxLkMZpqog t e l e p a t h テレパシー能力者 and Vincent Remember - ｉｎｔｅｒｓｔｅｌｌａｒ ｌｏｖｅ

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki-fATpXa00 Saint Pepsi - Private Caller

[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQxDM2K-hd0 Blank Banshee - Teen Pregnancy

[6] https://youtu.be/hDR7dWeEecs?t=3m11s VAPERROR - Mana Pool

[7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvU3JkngqvE S U R F I N G - Deep Fantasy

[8] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjJnGCTf3w Vincent Remember - The Page Master

[9] http://vaporwaveultra.tumblr.com

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Post by grenoire »

skylan_q wrote: post #39
noobermin wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he is being sarcastic.

no, i'm actually being genuine. i can only watch pulp fiction so many times before i realize the same movie is being made over and over again

no, i'm actually being genuine. i can only look at image macros so many times before i realize the same image macro is being made over and over again

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Post by tomcam »

noobermin wrote: post #37
taneq wrote: post #26

I think the underlying problem here which will have to be addressed at some point is that there's no recourse and often no real communication when a company decides to ban a person or delete content. There needs to be a consistent freedom-of-information style mechanism where someone can request a review of a decision by a human, and a non-generic explanation, accompanied by a chance to download a copy of the deleted…

The issue with that is we are assuming that someone has the same freedoms in a public park that they do in a hotel lobby. Some are truly unalienable, but if the manager wants you out, damn your freedom, you're on private property. I'm not sure what the remedy is, if there can be one. fb is essentially a social utility, but it is a private entity and since you click a checkbox under a terms of service, so they can do…

    fb is essentially a social utility, but it is a private entity
So... Not a utility

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Post by pdkl95 »

niftich wrote: post #32
fhrjchcjdnc wrote: post #9

It's pretty bizarre how 4chan of all places turned out to be the cultural epicenter of this generation. All these meme pages are just reposting content from there.

4chan, or more specifically, /b/, moves fast and several mechanisms (like the 150-image limit per thread) are in place to keep it that way. The limited lifetime and ephemerality of content encourages people to save things they find good, to be reposted later and frequently for others to see. Therefore the /b/ experience, although often trashy at best, vulgar and hateful at worst, does allow good content to organicall…

> The limited lifetime and ephemerality of content

While I love[1] the idea of having a place for ephemeral anonymous communicationj, that may have been only a local feature. As Jason Scott said[2], "You're like, 'No one notices if I post on 4chan.' [...] I have ten million archived threads of 4chan, for five years." I'm sure that number has grown in the years since he said that. 4chan only seems ephemeral.

[1] I totally agree about /b/ (and the rest of 4chan) being raw unfiltered humanity; it's a lot of junk, a few examples of humanity at its worst, and a handful of creative gems. A majority, I think, is simply people trying to express themselves in new ways. We need a place for that kind of free experimentation.

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq70QKa7588#t=545

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Post by meowface »

sotojuan wrote: post #17
Waterluvian wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is something beautiful about how pure the content on 4chan is because there's no e peen.

And people who try to build an identity are almost always disliked (though the ones that persevere make the site more fun).

Depends what you consider "fun". A so-called namefag posting in a thread out of the blue can completely derail it merely by their presence.
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