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Ask HN: Did some of you try the digital nomad lifestyle and not like it?

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Re: Ask HN: Did some of you try the digital nomad lifestyle and not like it?

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Not all remote jobs will be open to you keeping constantly changing and non-standard hours, right? I think freelance and self-employment would be more suited to this lifestyle.

That still perplexes me about "remote jobs", some employers still expect everyone to work synchronously. That seems to miss the point of having distributed workers. I've done a few stints of 3 months nonstop on the road, and when I had an employer we typically had weekly & monthly milestones, and no Skype meetings. Our communication was asynchronous (email back then). They'd often ask for smaller things 'ASAP', but a…

> That seems to miss the point of having distributed workers

Not wasting 5-10 hours per week in rush hour traffic is a pretty big perk, even if the working hours are pretty much set.

Re: Ask HN: Did some of you try the digital nomad lifestyle and not like it?

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I did it for 3 years and enjoyed every minute of it but it is difficult. When people discuss being a digial nomad its similar to how people discuss sailing... it is glorified even though it is hard, we just don't talk about the hard times. My experience is my own and can't be applied directly depending on what you are doing / where you are going but my experienced is based on: - Being from the US and traveling South…

> - Not having my stuff. No extra electronic equipment, tools, furniture, etc. When you are traveling a lot you need to be a minimalist which means no collection of books, soldering irons, etc. Which is fun for a few months but the 3rd time you have to repair the plumbing in your rental in Chile you wish you had all those tools you collected in the US :P I've always wondered about that when people talk about "leaving…

There's always hackerspaces!

Re: Ask HN: Did some of you try the digital nomad lifestyle and not like it?

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I am currently doing it. Spent 4 weeks in Stockholm, two weeks in Cluj Romania, currently in Prague as I type this. Next up is Berlin. I am from San Francisco, and have one startup (https://commando.io) that has paying customers, and also working on a new company as well.

So far I love it. Though I will admit, it sometimes can be difficult to put in the hours when there are so many things to see, people to meet, and things to explore. Also, I am not exactly doing it like a backpacker/cheap either, which improves the experience.

Happy to answer any questions.

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I've done it from 2013-2016, on and off. What many people do is travel then think "this is it, I want to do this forever", then travel, isolate themselves from their home communities, live in cheap places, make some money, share cocktail by the pool photos on Instagram with a hashtag #nomadlife and then get clinically depressed. Then they return to their home countries after 3 years, but they've lost touch with their…

> I moved back home and use it as a homebase to fly everywhere. I like that I have the freedom to take a taxi to the airport and be there in 10 minutes, board a plane with my laptop in a carry-on backpack and fly somewhere random, work from there and stay there until I get bored and fly back. That's extreme freedom and it means I still can have my home life and friends + have amazing travel experiences. That freedom…

You raise an important distinction between the different motivations of digital nomads. Personally, I'm currently traveling because it's cheaper than living in a major US city, and gives me a longer runway to work on projects. Eventually I hope to have a similar arrangement to the one Pieter is describing, with a home base and maximized travel ability.

Financial independence is the goal. Digital nomading can help get you there by extending your runway, and it can also be a benefit of the independence once you achieve it.

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I did it for 3 years or so right after college and had similar experiences to the folks on this thread. I surf so a huge motivation behind wanting to "live anywhere" was to chase epic surf. I look back on these times and feel like I really learned a lot about what's important to me in my life. During those times I was earning great money, developing my career, had very little living expenses, and got to surf whenever I pleased. All of those things are awesome and look great on paper but I also know that I have never felt so isolated and disconnected.

Others have mentioned this but building more than superficial relationships with people is hard. Finding a mate who can and is willing to live the lifestyle is challenging. Staying connected with friends and family is very difficult. All of those issues can be remedied and I know many folks who do so successfully but for me it makes more sense to have a home base and travel 3 months or so of the year. Knowing where "home" is helps keep me sane.

I do, however, think that this lifestyle is probably more feasible and easily attainable now. My experience comes in 2008-2011 when working on the internet was a very different task. Nowadays I see new co-living places pop up all over the globe that cater to the people trying to make nomad life work.

Re: Ask HN: Did some of you try the digital nomad lifestyle and not like it?

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I lived nomadishly for about a year in Europe, and while I didn't not like it exactly, the way I did it wasn't as fulfilling as I had hoped:

* I spent a lot of time moving from city to city. Eventually, I learned that staying put in the same place for a month or more was the best strategy — but this was hard to do with Schengen travel limitations (as an American citizen).

* Finding housing was sometimes a pain (and expensive). Hostels were definitely a no-go: too loud, no personal space, impossible to get work done. Hotels were too pricy. Owner-listed rooms on Airbnb worked pretty well overall, but finding ones that weren't exorbitantly expensive ($35 or less a day) and that were rented out by people in the ballpark of my age required hustle. Longer house shares (often students living in a large house with a spare room) were the best bet, but finding them involved a lot of last-minute e-mails, phone calls, and even in-person interviews. (All this would have been much easier with a traveling companion.)

* Speaking of getting work done, I basically couldn't figure out a way to be productive. Towards the second half of my travels, I discovered that I worked best if the room I was renting already had a desk, chair, and window, and sticking to that requirement helped quite a bit. But even then, the temptation to go out and explore was often too great. Before then, I tried cafes, libraries, and co-working spaces, all without much success. I think I really need a stable place to call "home" to be productive.

* As a life-long loner, travel made my social life a whole lot worse. I barely talked to anyone during my travels, and neither hostels nor bars were of much use. I didn't really mind most of the time, but the fact that my only fulfilling interactions were over the phone did start to weigh on me after a while. (I felt the most social when I was living in house-shares with students, but those were only conversations in passing.)

I'd definitely travel again — it was a fascinating experience in the end! — but this time I would probably commit to staying in a single city for several months. I'd also try to find a large house (10-50 people) inhabited by people who share my age and interests.

Re: Ask HN: Did some of you try the digital nomad lifestyle and not like it?

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I left Seattle in 2009 and spent about two years in Brazil, two years in Thailand, then eventually ended up in Belize for somewhat random reasons and have stayed here for 4 years (if you are doing the arithmetic, there were a few long trips back to the states in between). It was very lonely for the first few months in Brazil, but fortunately I had an acquaintance there that made some introductions for me, and I still have a few great friends that I keep in touch with on skype. The entire time I was in Thailand was extremely isolating, and I had a really hard time getting work done for my US clients given the time difference. It was a very challenging time personally and socially, but definitely a formative experience that I wouldn't give up. By the time I left Thailand all I really wanted was a place to settle down. Belize has been great; lots of expats in the 20-40 age range, no language barrier, beautiful nature, close to the US (2 hour flight to Houston, ~$200 on southwest airlines). I ended up meeting my girlfriend here, who is from Houston and owns a hostel here. To be honest, if I had to move back to the states, I wouldn't be too upset about it. Lately I've really been wanting access to a maker space, networking with other technologists and tinkerers, and easy access to electronics, which are extremely expensive here because of import duties. In the end, it really comes down to "wherever you go, there you are." It's wonderful to broaden your horizons, but you won't leave your bad habits or mood disorders at home. And wherever you are, your experience will differ greatly based on the company you keep. I was miserably lonely the whole time I was traveling, and I've only really been happy since I met my girlfriend and we got an apartment together. I don't know if there's a point to the story, but that's life I guess. :)

I think there are only really two ways to be happy in this lifestyle unless you are one of those people that really doesn't need any social interaction: have a travel partner, or have a home base that you spend 6 months or so out of the year in.

Re: Ask HN: Did some of you try the digital nomad lifestyle and not like it?

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Travelled 6 months of last year. I was ready to come home at the end. I could see my friends moving on with life and I felt like mine was standing still.

This was partly because of not staying in one place for long enough to build meaningful relationships, and also because at my stage of life many significant things require money, and the lifestyle was a tremendous drain on finances. I was in front of my laptop Best places for focus were Marseille (very little else to do albeit unbearably hot in our un-airconditioned apartment), Wellington in New Zealand (a beautiful country but Wellington felt very familiar and stable), and Dublin (some interesting history but not the classic tourism experience ... weather condusive to being indoors).

Amsterdam, Geneva, Queenstown (NZ), Prague were all just too exciting and/or beautiful. Prague felt like it had the best chance of working out once the excitement of tourism was done: low-ish cost of living + decent Internet.

Re: Ask HN: Did some of you try the digital nomad lifestyle and not like it?

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I'm not necessarily a DN. I did travel with my family for 2 years by sea. We've covered over 8000 miles and now we're back on land. We saved enough to where we didn't need to work. And it was a good thing. Not being tied to anyone else's schedule meant we could stay or go when we were ready.

Europe and North Africa have very good internet. But internet in North Africa is heavily censored so just be smart about it. As we moved further down the Atlantic it got less reliable. And once we got to the Caribbean it was hit or miss. But by then we were seasoned sailors and were far less about the DN life.

By the end of May I tied up our boat and settled into south Florida. I will say the one downside about DN living is that when you are ready to settle in permanently employers assume your just doing this temporarily. I had to really press HR to get that feedback. Now I bring my apartment lease agreement to job interviews.

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