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Re: Ask HN: What keeps you from exercising?

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I have to exercise or I feel like shit. I think that people that don't exercise have accepted feeling like shit as the "default" and somehow don't mind it. For me, the difference in my mental and physical health, to say nothing of my alertness and mental clarity, is night and day when I'm running every day. I run 3 miles a day (been running since I was 12 years old, sometimes competitively -- at my best, I was one of…

This is a fairly boring example of the typical mind fallacy. Or, the typical body fallacy, if you wish. I exercise and it doesn't have any significant effect on "feeling like shit" for me. I sometimes lose mental clarity from exercise, feel more tired, have less energy. The benefits are absolutely not obvious in my case. Unfortunately, this fallacy seems to be present every single time this topic is brought up. It's…

No offense, and knowing nothing about your situation, the experience you describe suggests to me that you are so out of shape, you haven't experienced the point where the sense of well-being starts to move the other way.

I've been there, and I've gotten over that hump (and fallen back into it, several times), but it took a lot more work than most people seem to assume it will. Not in terms of effort - if anything, overdoing intensity early on can be sabotaging, since it >willHigh intensity intervale training, for example, really isn't all that 'High Intensity' if done correctly. The goal is to keep your heart rate at about ~80% (I forget the number) of maximum. This is actually quite a achievable with only slightly more effort than feels 'easy', but because of the words 'High Intensity' (and a lot of shitty journalism around the concept) people who aren't actively monitoring their heart rate throw themselves at it so hard that can't sustain the effort for more than a dozen paces.

The key thing is to be putting yourself just at the edge of discomfort, consistently, for months. Just a few more pounts in your 5x5 weightlifting routine, or simply keeping your HR monitor at 150 bpm or so for a minute at a time.

Re: Ask HN: What keeps you from exercising?

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I think a lot of people feel like this, but perhaps not as much as you - the things you mention are what most people have to push past to do anything. Certainly I do - although I do enjoy sport. I don't however think that sport doesn't involve engaging the brain. It depends what sport you do. Do just go for walks? [1] The other things are Yoga, Thai Chi or Martial Arts which have a lot of philosophy to them to learn,…

> the things you mention are what most people have to push past to do anything Well, I enjoy programming, browsing the web, watching TV and playing games for their own sakes, without having to push past any lack of desire. If anything, not doing them is tough (well, I can take TV or leave it). > Do just go for walks? Honestly, that's my favourite form of exercise, because at least then I am able to think, and I don't…

Sorry I meant 'any kind of sport' instead of 'anything'

Walking is actually is genuinely beneficial as exercise in itself [1] [2]. Just do more of that. I don't think it would help if you're overweight, but if it's maintaining fitness over decades then it sure works.

  [1]: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17exercise-t.html

  [2]: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/21/stressed-at-work-try-a-lunchtime-walk/

Re: Ask HN: What keeps you from exercising?

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I think most people do not exercise because it's truly not a very rational thing to do in most contexts. Exercise in the modern world, when not part of your core occupation, is a bit of a luxury - it means you have the time, the energy, the money, and the health to do it. Many people don't. People who have more balanced lives tend to exercise more and I think the causality is in the opposite direction than most people think.

You can't "make time". You can only prioritize something else lower and replace it with exercise. This doesn't mean you ever had time. This is literally what not having enough time means. Most people don't have a nicely allotted slot for exercise in their lives. Taking it up may mean losing something rather substantial, even if it doesn't "seem" substantial. If we wanted people to exercise more, the first thing we would do is absolutely give them more time.

When I was in college, I played lacrosse. It would seem that this was very important but it was not. It resulted in falling grades for me and heightened depression due to falling grades. I dropped lacrosse because my grades were far more important. The reported mental benefits of exercise, however significant they may be, will not override the benefits of spending a lot of extra time on studying and then resting from studying. In the long run, improved grades facilitated me getting to a position where I could then afford the luxury of exercising. No amount of exercise could have done the same. Exercise is always, always secondary to being able to make a proper living and staying sane (unless exercise IS your way of staying sane, but it is not for many), and those things may very well eat up all your time. Before exercise can improve things, there needs to be something to improve.

I think this is a choice people make subconsciously, repeatedly. Exercise sounds like this thing you should always do because people perceive it as not having a cost, but it absolutely has a cost, and it's not very cost effective compared to many, many things. The people you see who are doing really badly in the physical department are probably hurting on time even more than you are and the solution is not for them to start exercising but for them to have a more balanced schedule so it's not so terribly difficult to fit exercise in it.

OK, there was my monologue. Now I'll move on to how and why I exercise.

I mostly exercise for a somewhat medical reason: I have a very fast resting heart rate if I don't do some exercise once in a while, combined with hereditary tachycardias. I would rather exercise than take questionable medication, and having a high resting heart rate is not very pleasant in general.

How I do it is pretty simple:

1. I've made peace with the fact that I'm not going to go very far in the exercise department and that I'm doing it primarily for the basic benefits. I'm OK with not being great at it, occasionally not doing it, not doing that much of it, not growing too much, etc., because it's still a lot better than not doing it at all, and it gets the job done with regards to heart rate. This took a lot of pressure off because I used to have a lot of issues over not doing anywhere near as well as everyone around me was.

2. Given 1, I stopped worrying about developing some amazing regimen and decided to just look for a lazy, efficient way to fit exercise into my schedule. I chose to join a kickboxing gym for a wide selection of reasons:

- I don't have to research or manage it. I just show up to the class and the instructor takes care of things;

- it's in a closed gym. This is important because having to worry about weather used to really mess up my running schedule, due to high heat or thunderstorms;

- it's scheduled, so I either have to go do it or not do it. I can't "do it later". Combined with it being expensive, I don't want to not go do this thing I spent a lot of money on;

- while scheduled, it's still flexible enough that I can somewhat adjust to wonkiness in my schedule, but not too much;

- it's very efficient for time spent compared to most other forms of exercise I've seen;

- it's relatively well-rounded so I'm not doing either just cardio or just weights;

- it's social so there's the added effect of performing a bit better because other people are around, the coach is watching you, etc.;

- it scales off of everything so it's trivial to branch out if I want to add more cardio, lifting, etc., to it;

- kickboxing gyms are not rare so if I move somewhere I'd probably still be able to find one.

Cons: it's expensive. I can afford it, a lot of people can't.

Re: Ask HN: What keeps you from exercising?

#144

I have to exercise or I feel like shit. I think that people that don't exercise have accepted feeling like shit as the "default" and somehow don't mind it. For me, the difference in my mental and physical health, to say nothing of my alertness and mental clarity, is night and day when I'm running every day. I run 3 miles a day (been running since I was 12 years old, sometimes competitively -- at my best, I was one of…

This is a fairly boring example of the typical mind fallacy. Or, the typical body fallacy, if you wish. I exercise and it doesn't have any significant effect on "feeling like shit" for me. I sometimes lose mental clarity from exercise, feel more tired, have less energy. The benefits are absolutely not obvious in my case. Unfortunately, this fallacy seems to be present every single time this topic is brought up. It's…

Accuses OP of moral superiority, condescendingly quotes "feeling like shit."

Re: Ask HN: What keeps you from exercising?

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a fairly boring example of the typical mind fallacy. Or, the typical body fallacy, if you wish. I exercise and it doesn't have any significant effect on "feeling like shit" for me. I sometimes lose mental clarity from exercise, feel more tired, have less energy. The benefits are absolutely not obvious in my case. Unfortunately, this fallacy seems to be present every single time this topic is brought up. It's…

No offense, and knowing nothing about your situation, the experience you describe suggests to me that you are so out of shape, you haven't experienced the point where the sense of well-being starts to move the other way. I've been there, and I've gotten over that hump (and fallen back into it, several times), but it took a lot more work than most people seem to assume it will. Not in terms of effort - if anything, ov…

> No offense, and knowing nothing about your situation, the experience you describe suggests to me that you are so out of shape, you haven't experienced the point where the sense of well-being starts to move the other way.

Explain to me how this is a falsifiable claim.

Re: Ask HN: What keeps you from exercising?

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I had a lot of fun when I was lifting (I followed Starting Strength for about four months), but when my lifting partner stopped, so did I. I've been doing pushups/plank/jumping lunge squats/plank/pushups for a while now, which is nice, but I'm certainly not getting anything near the amount of exercise I'd like to. So my reasons for not exercising now are two: 1. I don't want to take the time to lift. By the time I st…

I had the same issue when I moved. My solution was to buy a cheap bench, a set of adjustable dumbbells, and a doorframe pullup bar. You can accomplish most of the same things as SS by doing the dumbbell equivalents of the exercises. Legs are the main issue, but you can do Goblet Squats, Bulgarian Splits, and Reverse Lunges. They're not quite as good as the barbell versions, but you don't need a spotter, and you're do…

Just invest in a power-rack or half-rack, and you will be capable of doing heavy barbell squat (and also heavy bench press) in total security

Re: Ask HN: What keeps you from exercising?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a fairly boring example of the typical mind fallacy. Or, the typical body fallacy, if you wish. I exercise and it doesn't have any significant effect on "feeling like shit" for me. I sometimes lose mental clarity from exercise, feel more tired, have less energy. The benefits are absolutely not obvious in my case. Unfortunately, this fallacy seems to be present every single time this topic is brought up. It's…

Accuses OP of moral superiority, condescendingly quotes "feeling like shit."

I don't see what's condescending in it? I see it more condescending to assume everyone who doesn't exercise just likes "feeling like shit". I think that's a very unhelpful way to discuss things.

I put it in quotes because it's not precise. I don't know what it means for you, which particular things you classify as "feeling like shit due to not exercising enough".

Re: Ask HN: What keeps you from exercising?

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I used to start & stop exercising regularly...meaning I'd start going to the gym for a few weeks and then stop out of laziness / lack of motivation. That changed 1 year ago, when I stopped aimlessly 'exercising' and started goal-oriented 'training'. I discovered powerlifting. Its principles and techniques really resonated with me. I was no longer exercising to be 'fit' but 'training' to beat my numbers (I don't do co…

Any suggestions on how to get started with powerlifting ? Tons of resources out there to choose from but I have no clue. Programs like P90X etc.

first rule: find a good pt who can teach you the correct form for every single exercise. That is the most important thing. People think that powerlifting is about "moving the heaviest weight possible"... it is not. It is about "moving the heaviest weight possible without failing at doing it with the _perfect_ execution form".

Re: Ask HN: What keeps you from exercising?

#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a fairly boring example of the typical mind fallacy. Or, the typical body fallacy, if you wish. I exercise and it doesn't have any significant effect on "feeling like shit" for me. I sometimes lose mental clarity from exercise, feel more tired, have less energy. The benefits are absolutely not obvious in my case. Unfortunately, this fallacy seems to be present every single time this topic is brought up. It's…

How do you breathe when you exercise? What exercise are you doing?

Depends on the exercise and the situation.

I've done various things ranging from running, biking, weightlifting to more organized things like lacrosse, TKD, and, currently, kickboxing.

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