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Can Psychiatry Turn Itself Around?

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Re: Can Psychiatry Turn Itself Around?

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1.Psychiatrists go to medical school, just like other "doctors." 2. There is a huge evidence base for the practice of psychiatry, though it would be nice if it were adhered to more rigorously. 3. Incomplete understandings of the mechanisms of action of drugs is rife throughout medicine. For example, why does the hypertension drug HCTZ work at sub-diuretic doses? 4. If they were doing great, they probably wouldn't nee…

Show me a guy on psych meds who is doing great and I'll believe you.

"Show me a person with a pacemaker and I'll believe you."

"Show me a guy in an iron lung and I'll believe you."

Sometimes, unfortunately, the best outcome of treatment is simply to keep things tolerably bad.

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1.Psychiatrists go to medical school, just like other "doctors." 2. There is a huge evidence base for the practice of psychiatry, though it would be nice if it were adhered to more rigorously. 3. Incomplete understandings of the mechanisms of action of drugs is rife throughout medicine. For example, why does the hypertension drug HCTZ work at sub-diuretic doses? 4. If they were doing great, they probably wouldn't nee…

Show me a guy on psych meds who is doing great and I'll believe you.

I'm on psych meds and doing great, been on them for AGES. When I went off them a decade ago I spiraled very far downwards which ended in short term disability. The disability. Back then I thought "oh I'm doing well, I don't need them anymore." Nope, I need them because they keep me well. Because of them I am able to hold down a job and take care of myself.

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I have noticed. Multiple times I've gone to a Psychiatrist and they have decided to try something because it's new and supposed to work, when the reality is they've only ever put 2 or 3 clients on it and it has been working for a few weeks, and the medication itself has only been out a year. In addition, the worst times in my life were the times when I was taking psychiatric medications.

To offer a counter-anecdote, I suffered from severe, recurrent Major Depressive Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder, and ADHD primarily inattentive (it's not at all uncommon for the three of them to present themselves simultaneously in individuals) for over 10 years before I finally started seeing a psychiatrist. For the last 2 years, I've been taking 3 medications daily, and after the initial hump of spending a f…

You're awesome and your psychiatrist is awesome!

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The last Psychiatrist I went to prescribed me 4mg of Klonopin a day for anxiety. The one before that prescribed me 40-50mg of Adderall a day for ADHD and about 600mg of Seroquel a night for sleeping problems. Both times I decided to quit going and tapered myself off. There never really asked how I felt or seemed to care about me in any way shape or form. Just, "Here's your drugs, see you next month." I have a horribl…

Psychiatrists are a bit like chiropractors. They want to be seen as "doctors", but none of what they do has any scientific basis. Ever notice how psychiatrists just prescribe you random medications without knowing how, or even if, they work? The most damning fact is that I've never met anyone on psych meds who is doing really great.

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Re: Can Psychiatry Turn Itself Around?

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I'm a psychiatrist. It is always amazing to me that despite four years of medical school, six years of residency and fellowships, and four board certifications, the assumption is that I have no idea what I'm talking about and have evil motives. There are fair criticisms of psychiatry, there are bad psychiatrists, but mostly there are crappy generalizations. Good psychiatrists have an understanding of what medications…

Any chance you could answer some questions? I'll get to them after a couple of (relevant) anecdotes.

I was diagnosed with depression by a psychologist. I got a referral to a psychiatrist, and I was told that the psychiatrist would probably want to do his own assessment of where I was at & what kind of therapy would best benefit me.

Nope. It was, "You've got such & such diagnosis; let's try such & such drug. Bye!" Some years later, I was treated by another psychiatrist. Same deal.

Second, I've read a fair amount about various psychoactive drugs. One thing I've noted in the literature is that often drugs are only found to be effective when used in combination with other kinds of therapy: counseling, etc. So if I am taking a psychoactive drug regularly to treat some condition, then I always get regular counseling for that condition as well.

I have mentioned this practice of mine to both psychiatrists, and both indicated their approval. But in both cases, counseling was never mentioned until I brought it up. I'm thinking that, if I were a psychiatrist, then I might insist that my patients get regular counseling in addition to my treatment. To avoid even recommending it strikes me (in my highly inexpert opinion) as an awful practice, possibly rendering psychiatric treatment ineffective. One might even call it a violation of professional ethics.

So, my questions.

1. Would you say my experiences related above are typical?

2. Would you say that these experiences point out problems (with the two psychiatrists at least, and with the profession as a whole, if the answer to #1 is "yes")?

3. If these are problems, then what do we do about them?

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Had a doctor prescribe two meds once, then a few weeks later asked me how one of them was working. I was honestly confused by the question, since I have no idea how one drug is working when I've only ever taken it in tandem with something else. The very question indicates at best an unacceptable level of indifference, at worst outright incompetence.

did you continue working with that doctor afterwards? did you continue your prescription?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1.Psychiatrists go to medical school, just like other "doctors." 2. There is a huge evidence base for the practice of psychiatry, though it would be nice if it were adhered to more rigorously. 3. Incomplete understandings of the mechanisms of action of drugs is rife throughout medicine. For example, why does the hypertension drug HCTZ work at sub-diuretic doses? 4. If they were doing great, they probably wouldn't nee…

Show me a guy on psych meds who is doing great and I'll believe you.

I don't understand the hostility here.

There are plenty of people who are doing very well on psych meds.

The field is probably a bit too 'medication' heavy, I'll grant you that, but perfect is, as they said, is the enemy of the good.

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The last Psychiatrist I went to prescribed me 4mg of Klonopin a day for anxiety. The one before that prescribed me 40-50mg of Adderall a day for ADHD and about 600mg of Seroquel a night for sleeping problems. Both times I decided to quit going and tapered myself off. There never really asked how I felt or seemed to care about me in any way shape or form. Just, "Here's your drugs, see you next month." I have a horribl…

if a publicly traded, large market cap, privately owned pharmaceutical company owned a patent for marijuana it would be legal and pushed heavily by psychiatrists.

however, it is a plant, and cannot be patented, so instead we made it illegal.

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I'm a psychiatrist. It is always amazing to me that despite four years of medical school, six years of residency and fellowships, and four board certifications, the assumption is that I have no idea what I'm talking about and have evil motives. There are fair criticisms of psychiatry, there are bad psychiatrists, but mostly there are crappy generalizations. Good psychiatrists have an understanding of what medications…

And some of the problems that cause bad outcomes are outside of what you control. Laws forbidding families from getting information about their mentally ill adult children, for example. Also, "the system" (insurance companies, the courts, etc) sometimes make it very, very hard to get someone the help they need. I had a mentally ill colleague that was very difficult to help. His family was ready and willing, but it wa…

There's a reason those laws exist. Mental health is still a taboo topic and as soon as anyone knows there's an issue the reflex is for everything to go into lockdown. This comes up on reddit with some frequency [1][2]. Some of the stories are pretty harrowing. Though a lot of this is to do with the poor state of many mental health institutions.

1) https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3hlcyu/serious_r...

2) https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1tdoc1/redditers...

Re: Can Psychiatry Turn Itself Around?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1.Psychiatrists go to medical school, just like other "doctors." 2. There is a huge evidence base for the practice of psychiatry, though it would be nice if it were adhered to more rigorously. 3. Incomplete understandings of the mechanisms of action of drugs is rife throughout medicine. For example, why does the hypertension drug HCTZ work at sub-diuretic doses? 4. If they were doing great, they probably wouldn't nee…

Show me a guy on psych meds who is doing great and I'll believe you.

I have mild clinical depression and have started taking a low dose of Lexapro about half a year ago. The difference in my baseline mood is palpable, and I'm feeling a lot better than previously. Sometimes on my walk home I'll event lightheartedly chant "happy pills, happy pills" to myself a couple of times, because the baseline difference is that noticeable.
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