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Have any changes been made against him in the US to date? Genuinely don't know the answer and a cursory search I can't see anything obvious. Also, why would the US not have an extradition request for him open with the UK? The UK would be much more likely to do as the USA pleases than Sweden.

> Have any changes been made against him in the US to date? There is a publicly disclosed criminal investigation, and several years ago there were reports based on a non-detailed reference in an email in the Stratfor leak (which didn't come from anyone who would have firsthand knowledge) that there was a sealed indictment produced from that investigation, which the Justice Department has flatly denied. So, apparently…

So to confirm;

No charges against him levied by the US. No extradition warrant out for him by the US.

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I think calling the primaries "rigged" misses a lot of nuance about the Parties in the US and the situation at hand. First, parties are clubs and they can have their own rules about their internal elections and campaigns. The rules of the normal election at federal level do not apply. The whole free association thing. Second, Bernie is not "real" democrat. He was prior and plans on returning to the Senate as an indep…

I'm not exactly sure how to find that the requirement of "paying DNC dues" is defensible. We're not talking about a local sports club. Don't get me wrong. While I supported Bernie, I feel he was outplayed in a masterful game that he wasn't ready for. I'm not sore about it. Frankly, I'm surprised Hillary didn't win by a far larger margin, considering she had a decade to make deals and sway powerful people her way, and…

I would feel differently about it there was multiple viable Democratic candidates and they were helping out the favorite. Since Bernie was just renting the ticket, I don't feel this applies here.

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I'm not exactly sure how to find that the requirement of "paying DNC dues" is defensible. We're not talking about a local sports club. Don't get me wrong. While I supported Bernie, I feel he was outplayed in a masterful game that he wasn't ready for. I'm not sore about it. Frankly, I'm surprised Hillary didn't win by a far larger margin, considering she had a decade to make deals and sway powerful people her way, and…

I would feel differently about it there was multiple viable Democratic candidates and they were helping out the favorite. Since Bernie was just renting the ticket, I don't feel this applies here.

If Bernie ended up with < 5% of the voters / delegates, I might be obliged to agree with you, but that's far from the end result. It seems he's far more in-line with the democratic party, according to the party itself, than you're suggesting.

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I would feel differently about it there was multiple viable Democratic candidates and they were helping out the favorite. Since Bernie was just renting the ticket, I don't feel this applies here.

If Bernie ended up with < 5% of the voters / delegates, I might be obliged to agree with you, but that's far from the end result. It seems he's far more in-line with the democratic party, according to the party itself, than you're suggesting.

The guy joined the party 1 year before the primary and he's planing on coming back to the senate as a independent. Just because he does caucus often with democrats does not change my assertion that he was just renting the ticket.

This is a big difference and it matters to the party (organization).

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The downvotes are because your point of view is that of one who conveniently ignores the facts that don't fit the narrative they want to be true. >The Ecuadorian embassy upon last request denied the Swedish prosecution entry to question him. This is simply not true. Ecuador actively worked to persuade Sweden to get the prosecutor access to the embassy to interview Assange, and they were successful in doing so. >Do ma…

>conveniently ignores the facts Not so, and if I wanted I could say the same to yourself. >This is simply not true. OK, I'm guessing you must work there? To be that sure would indicate having knowledge that the lay man would not have. Are you able to let us in to any other information that might persuade me to come around to your line of thinking? >political asylum Remember - the charge against him currently is that…

>OK, I'm guessing you must work there? To be that sure would indicate having knowledge that the lay man would not have. Are you able to let us in to any other information that might persuade me to come around to your line of thinking?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/12/julian-assange...

>The WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, may be questioned in London within days about alleged sexual offences after Ecuador indicated it had reached a bilateral deal with Sweden.

>Negotiations began in June this year between Ecuador’s acting foreign minister, Xavier Lasso, and the Swedish justice ministry’s international affairs chief, Anna-Carin Svensson.

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Why did you redact or omit your social security number and bank account numbers?

You're conflating privacy and security (which are similar I know). If you know my entire banking history that's a privacy issue (which jfaucett was ok with). However, if you are able to access my account and take money, that's a security problem. The line can get really fuzzy sometimes, but they are different issues.

So did Wikileaks violate privacy or security when they released data containing unredacted credit card and social security numbers?

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I think calling the primaries "rigged" misses a lot of nuance about the Parties in the US and the situation at hand. First, parties are clubs and they can have their own rules about their internal elections and campaigns. The rules of the normal election at federal level do not apply. The whole free association thing. Second, Bernie is not "real" democrat. He was prior and plans on returning to the Senate as an indep…

Currently, the presidency is like a public park bench placed on private land. The bench is public property and everyone has the same theoretical right to sit on it - but there are only two paths to the bench, and both paths' owners charge huge fees. A hundred years ago, it probably seemed possible to build a third path - but with our modern understanding of game theory, we know a two-party system is the inevitable re…

Nicely crafted analogy. I don't see it.

I'm very involved in party politics and have run for office.

The Democratic Party isn't a single thing. I can't even summarize it briefly. One facet is a bunch of independent groups sharing the same logo, tribal identity. Another is a hierarchy of squabbling ad hoc volunteer organizations fighting each other for relevancy. A third are the Democratic themed campaigns which are largely parasitic on the party organizations. A fifth are the loose coalitions of like minded interest groups also squabbling for resources and relevance.

The DNC isn't even that influential. Closest analog I can think of is a trade association that hosts conferences.

I can't speak directly to the GOP's structure. From observations and contact with their players, they're similar.

People don't get how candidates are chosen to run for office. Especially at the top of the ticket. I'm talking before the primary / caucus. Special interest groups form and then go candidate shopping. "Superstar" electable candidates, like GWB and Obama, are selected, groomed, promoted to other interest groups (investment clubs, individuals). Note that these groups filled the vacuum left by the decline of the traditional GOP and Dem party machines.

All the other candidates are delusional self promoters. They literally have almost no chance. But they run anyway, to promote their brands, to take one for the team, to get the experience, because anything can happen during the campaign cycle, etc.

Me personally, I'm still gobsmacked that Trump iced out both Cruz and Rubio. My initial post-mortem for the GOP 2016 is Trump's dark horse victory just demonstrates how dysfunctional the GOP has become (the Tea Party has driven away their "moderates").

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>First, parties are clubs and they can have their own rules about their internal elections and campaigns. Literally no one is saying otherwise. This is such a tired and ridiculous strawman.

> Literally no one is saying otherwise Nice, Argumentum ad populum. After following this election pretty closely I have observed that many people do not in fact understand how the parties operate and that the primaries are a party and not a legal construct. It's possible that people either have faulty ideas how the party process is run, or just do not have enough experience with it (many new Bernie voters).

"I have observed that many people do not in fact understand how the parties operate"

This generalization includes people in the party too.

"and that the primaries are a party and not a legal construct."

The primaries and caucuses are legally recognized party constructs.

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Why did you redact or omit your social security number and bank account numbers?

You're conflating privacy and security (which are similar I know). If you know my entire banking history that's a privacy issue (which jfaucett was ok with). However, if you are able to access my account and take money, that's a security problem. The line can get really fuzzy sometimes, but they are different issues.

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You're conflating privacy and security (which are similar I know). If you know my entire banking history that's a privacy issue (which jfaucett was ok with). However, if you are able to access my account and take money, that's a security problem. The line can get really fuzzy sometimes, but they are different issues.

So did Wikileaks violate privacy or security when they released data containing unredacted credit card and social security numbers?

Security. Although SSN in theory should be a privacy issue. Credit card numbers are clearly similar to keys. They are the keys to your bank balance.
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