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Why we won't be selling Genuino or Arduino any more

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Re: Why we won't be selling Genuino or Arduino any more

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Dear Pimoroni, Please add a link to your store from your blog. Sincerely, everyone who might actually want to buy from you.

https://shop.pimoroni.com/ EDIT: took 10 seconds to find including this edit, but your point does stand :)

Oh, yeah, it took only a few moments to go up to the address bar and pop off "blog.", but it throws up a barrier to conversion. Doesn't matter much to me, honestly, but I had to be more than casually interested in looking at their offerings to make the effort.

Re: Why we won't be selling Genuino or Arduino any more

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"other MCs aside from the Arduino that are more interesting today" Can you give a few links? Thanks in advance.

ESP8266[0] springs to mind: > The ESP8266 is a low-cost Wi-Fi chip with full TCP/IP stack and microcontroller capability... [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP8266

I messed around with several versions of these and will say they are all sorts of a pain in the ass to get going. The Python stack I was using on them kept crashing when I would put it into power saver mode.

Still, it's pretty cool you can buy one for like $2 and basically have a computer that runs Python with some minimal microcontroller functionality.

Re: Why we won't be selling Genuino or Arduino any more

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like saying a farm tractor and a pickup truck are the same thing because they both have internal combustion engines and wheels.

One abstraction layer above in fact. It's like saying a farm tractor and a pickup truck are the same thing because they both can move you from point A to B.

I was being charitable, as both are Turing-complete computing devices of similar physical size.

Re: Why we won't be selling Genuino or Arduino any more

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Yeah, but if the farm tractor was cheaper, faster, and could carry more cargo than the truck, why wouldn't you just use the tractor?

AVRs have much better sleep modes (single digit microamps) and predictable performance (to the exact clock cycle) by default. If you need long battery life or hard real-time performance then they're probably a better choice than the Raspberry Pi.

True, however that's AVRs and not Adruino. You very quickly get out of arduino-land when you have any constraints like battery life or performance. By far the vast majority of people contemplating either Arduino or RPi will never know enough to be able to tune things like that.

Heck the last time I looked into doing sleeping on an AVR-based Arduino it basically said go look at the 328's manual to set the registers directly. (Although that was a long time ago.)

Re: Why we won't be selling Genuino or Arduino any more

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It's really not that unusual for resellers to be given geographical territories within which they can/can't sell. Try looking up your favorite electronics on Amazon.com and see if they will ship to Europe - most times the page will say 'for US delivery only'.

It is a shame that the Arduino guys split up but I would argue the situation would be even more of a mess if both new companies were able to sell into the same territories with the same name + similar product.

Re: Why we won't be selling Genuino or Arduino any more

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post #51

Serious question: what are people building with these boards? The recurring projects I've seen are controlling lights, doors/locks and monitoring water in plants. I don't find these particularly compelling, am I missing something? How is this the next big thing?

we're building electronic noses with gas sensors to monitor fruit ripening and tell us when we should pick fruit trees. arduinos are cool because they make physical computing really easy. they're just a nice tool.

Interesting, that does work reliably? Could you tell us more?

(I've read about gas sensors in the past and it seemed like they are either extremely inaccurate or hideously expensive)

Re: Why we won't be selling Genuino or Arduino any more

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TLDR: Reseller is pissed that "Genuino" has to be sold as "Arduino" in the US and that they have separate SKUs. Also Genuino seems to have poor B2B/reseller support. Is this post really that petty or am I missing something?

Engineers don't like needless restrictions.

Can't sell "Arduino" in the EU because of underhanded legal reasons? Ok, fine, that's life.

Can't sell "Genuino" in the US? I thought this painful brand switch was to fix stupid legal problems?! But Genuino did this to itself?!! screw it

Re: Why we won't be selling Genuino or Arduino any more

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I really don't see the point of the arduinos when you can buy an esp8266 that is arduino compatible (you can use the arduino IDE and sketches). You can get the bare esp8266 chips for $1-$2 from aliexpress, or buy a tricked out one from adafruit (the huzzah) for $9. They have a full wifi stack, support micropython, etc. I think we're in a post-arduino age for microcontrollers. There are simply better options out there…

It's a brand name people recognize. And some of them don't realize they have options.

I've heard stories of people who had built several Arduino projects, but when someone mentioned microcontrollers and working with embedded systems, responded with "what's a microcontroller?"

Re: Why we won't be selling Genuino or Arduino any more

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Serious question: what are people building with these boards? The recurring projects I've seen are controlling lights, doors/locks and monitoring water in plants. I don't find these particularly compelling, am I missing something? How is this the next big thing?

I worked on some robotics research not too long ago. We used an arduino for interacting with motors, sensors etc. We ran some semi-interesting filtering on the data before passing it back to a more powerful processor that ran a python program that did the decision making and provided interactivity from the user.

The main reason we used the arduino was compared to all the alternatives (other similar hacker boards, and FPGAS say) it gave us a flexible toolkit, easy deployments to a board, and a very simple way of interacting directly with sensors throuhg a fairly convenient API.

Re: Why we won't be selling Genuino or Arduino any more

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Serious question: what are people building with these boards? The recurring projects I've seen are controlling lights, doors/locks and monitoring water in plants. I don't find these particularly compelling, am I missing something? How is this the next big thing?

Last Christmas, a friend of mine did an musical project that he wanted to spice up with a light show.

Another friend and I created a lighting controller that did realtime signal processing and MIDI-controlled lighting, which relied heavily on Arduino.

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