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Marie Curie Got Her Start at a Secret University for Women

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Re: Marie Curie Got Her Start at a Secret University for Women

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Education for the sake of education, for people with a desire to learn. This pretty much has to be better than education for the purpose of credentialing.

They were mostly nobles (Poland had lots of these - almost 5% of population) or rich middle class women before feminism (so - no need to work).

Not necessarily no need to work, but more importantly, easily available free time to spend on learning (or anything else).

Re: Marie Curie Got Her Start at a Secret University for Women

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That was not Russia. That was Soviet Union. Those parts of Poland became parts of Ukrainian and Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republics (Western Ukraine, Western Belarus). Most of them are still parts of Ukraine and Belarus today. In 1938 Poland invaded Czechoslovakia together with Germany and Hungary to "protect" Polish population in Zaolzie. In 1939 Soviet Union "protected" Ukrainian and Byelorussian population. In…

Let's not rewrite history here: Germany invaded Czechoslovakia. Hungary and Poland annexed small parts of ethnically mixed areas to their respective countries

And Germany invaded Poland on the 1st September 1939. The problem is we signed up treaties with Czechoslovakia regulating the issue You think the eastern part of Poland was not ethnically mixed and there were no problems with this?

Re: Marie Curie Got Her Start at a Secret University for Women

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That was not Russia. That was Soviet Union. Those parts of Poland became parts of Ukrainian and Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republics (Western Ukraine, Western Belarus). Most of them are still parts of Ukraine and Belarus today. In 1938 Poland invaded Czechoslovakia together with Germany and Hungary to "protect" Polish population in Zaolzie. In 1939 Soviet Union "protected" Ukrainian and Byelorussian population. In…

Zaolzie was stolen from Poland by the Czechs around 1920 (the Polish-Bolshevik war)

And you think the eastern part of Poland was just given us by Ukrainians, Lithuanians etc. voluntarily?

Re: Marie Curie Got Her Start at a Secret University for Women

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Education for the sake of education, for people with a desire to learn. This pretty much has to be better than education for the purpose of credentialing.

They were mostly nobles (Poland had lots of these - almost 5% of population) or rich middle class women before feminism (so - no need to work).

First of all, number of nobles in Poland was much bigger, some say even 10% of population, which made it mostly the customary title, rarely followed by an actual wealth.

More importantly, since Poland was under Russian and German rule nobles were often dispossesed and persecuted.

Maria Skłodowska-Curie herself had to earn her living (mostly by being private tutor), as did her husband, parents and others.

So no, education was not rich women's entertainment, it was necessity.

Re: Marie Curie Got Her Start at a Secret University for Women

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Education for the sake of education, for people with a desire to learn. This pretty much has to be better than education for the purpose of credentialing.

They were mostly nobles (Poland had lots of these - almost 5% of population) or rich middle class women before feminism (so - no need to work).

If you read the book "More work for mother," which details 300 years of the history of housework, women have long been saddled with about 60 hours a week of housework. In modern times, if a woman works a full time job of 40 hours a week, that only falls to about 40 hours per week of housework.

I seriously doubt most of these women were living a life of leisure. Additionally, let's assume you are right: How on earth does that rebut my comment about educating people who desire to learn? Because surely the leisure class could have been bar hopping and throwing or attending wild parties instead of trying to learn something in spite of it being against the rules to get an education.

Re: Marie Curie Got Her Start at a Secret University for Women

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They were mostly nobles (Poland had lots of these - almost 5% of population) or rich middle class women before feminism (so - no need to work).

If you read the book "More work for mother," which details 300 years of the history of housework, women have long been saddled with about 60 hours a week of housework. In modern times, if a woman works a full time job of 40 hours a week, that only falls to about 40 hours per week of housework. I seriously doubt most of these women were living a life of leisure. Additionally, let's assume you are right: How on earth d…

> Additionally, let's assume you are right: How on earth does that rebut my comment about educating people who desire to learn?

It doesn't, why should it?

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Unlikely. Those people don't have the luxury of time needed to put any serious efforts towards their education.

Severe sampling bias. News in the West is focused on all the bad things that happen there. That doesn't mean that there can't be a small percentage of the population that has the time and motivation to educate themselves. I've met my share of Syrians, Libyans, and Iraqi graduate students who were educated in and lived through pretty difficult times pre- and post- dictator-overthrow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36893303 Secret library in Syria
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