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WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Which could also mean they are doing things that are more important.

I'm sure many Sanders supporters were happy for ammunition to help their case that they were treated unfairly, but I don't think catty behavior at the DNC is anywhere near as important as Wikileaks' earlier work uncovering potential war crimes in Iraq. And I find Assange's overt attempt to influence the outcome of a US election much more distasteful than anything that was in those DNC emails.

I wasn't thinking about the DNC in particular. I was responding to the parents growing annoyance with WikiLeaks.

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Of course you'll be called a "conspiracy theorist" for speculating about this case in any way deviating from the official narrative. But the circumstances are extremely suspicious. The DNC voter expansion data director was found shot dead, assassination style, two bullets in the back, in one of the safest neighborhoods of DC. Nothing was taken off his person. No forensic evidence was left behind. Yet the police deeme…

> Of course you'll be called a "conspiracy theorist" for speculating about this case in any way deviating from the official narrative. Prior to Snowden, people who warned about extensive government surveillance were dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists'. After Snowden, everyone said, "oh all this was common knowledge anyway". Prior to the DNCLeaks, Sanders supporters who complained about the DNC favouring Hillary were…

>Prior to the DNCLeaks, Sanders supporters who complained about the DNC favouring Hillary were dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists'. After to the leaks, everyone said, "oh this was all common knowledge anyway"

Multiple times in this very thread, the argument is "this is how the DNC is supposed to operate, they can do whatever they want since it's a private organization". Which is frankly even worse.

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Very strong anti-Wikileaks vibe in this thread. But, why? Someone was murdered (irrespective of if they're a Wikileaks source or not) and Wikileaks is putting money on the table to help get it solved and bringing greater attention to it. In my book trying to help solve murders is a Good Thing™. I have to say I am surprised, in 2016, how well the Red Scare still works in the US. You say Russia is behind something and…

The most outspoken anti-Wikileaks people are (in my experience) typically those who hold a security clearance and work for the government or law enforcement in some way. I don't understand their mentality, but I think a lot of them have a sense of patriotism and nationalism working for the government. Therefore, they feel like they're on the opposing side of Wikileaks, and Wikileaks broke all of the rules they've been so dutifully trained to follow, and so naturally they feel threatened by Wikileaks.

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I'm not sure it's a position that would be envied as such, I guess everyone is different. I suppose if you were wanted for questioning by police for a serious crime that you wanted to evade and you hadn't got a friendly government seeking positive news coverage to give you a legal loophole to remain at large, you might.

The post you replied to was being sarcastic. "Questioning by police" is an enormous understatement. If Assange leaves the embassy, he will be arrested, extradited to the US, and likely convicted of treason. His fate would at best look something like Chelsea Manning's, and at worst, execution.

Oh, I see.

As others have pointed out, very unlikely he could be done for treason given he isn't American. But let's not let facts get in the way of some good down voting.

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Yes, you're right. I suppose it is a very comfortable position to be in and we should envy him. Thanks!

I'm not sure it's a position that would be envied as such, I guess everyone is different. I suppose if you were wanted for questioning by police for a serious crime that you wanted to evade and you hadn't got a friendly government seeking positive news coverage to give you a legal loophole to remain at large, you might.

> I suppose if you were wanted for questioning by police for a serious crime that you wanted to evade and you hadn't got a friendly government seeking positive news coverage to give you a legal loophole to remain at large, you might.

There is so much wrong with this, and I suspect you know this, so I am probably wasting my time replying.

>serious crime

I am not sure a he-said/she-said argument about whether someone used a condom is a "serious crime". It's a shitty thing to do obviously but a "serious crime" it is not. The chief public prosecutor even said "I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape." and three of the four allegations made against him have been dropped.

>that you wanted to evade

Suggesting he actually did the crime. There are only allegations, and coming from a place of questionable integrity.

Additionally, he's not evading any alleged sexual crime, he's evading being extradited and facing capital punishment for political reasons. The UN itself had said his detention was in violation of international law, and Sweden said to uphold the warrant anyway.

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The post you replied to was being sarcastic. "Questioning by police" is an enormous understatement. If Assange leaves the embassy, he will be arrested, extradited to the US, and likely convicted of treason. His fate would at best look something like Chelsea Manning's, and at worst, execution.

Oh, I see. As others have pointed out, very unlikely he could be done for treason given he isn't American. But let's not let facts get in the way of some good down voting.

You're right, as a non-American he'd just get sent to Gitmo where he faces indefinite detention without any recourse, without any legal rights or constitutionally required due process, and endless torture+interrogations for the rest of his life. But at least he can't be found guilty of treason in a constitutionally bound American court system by a jury of peers!

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I'm not sure it's a position that would be envied as such, I guess everyone is different. I suppose if you were wanted for questioning by police for a serious crime that you wanted to evade and you hadn't got a friendly government seeking positive news coverage to give you a legal loophole to remain at large, you might.

> I suppose if you were wanted for questioning by police for a serious crime that you wanted to evade and you hadn't got a friendly government seeking positive news coverage to give you a legal loophole to remain at large, you might. There is so much wrong with this, and I suspect you know this, so I am probably wasting my time replying. >serious crime I am not sure a he-said/she-said argument about whether someone u…

So much wrong?

>serious crime

He faces allegations of sexual assault - I could be wrong but I'd assume this a serious crime in most places. Do you really not think the alleged crime is serious?

>that you wanted to evade

The Ecuadorian embassy upon last request denied the Swedish prosecution entry to question him. Also, it is gracious of him to permit them to call him over the phone for questioning. Do many formal police interviews occur telephonically? In situations where the defendant is already incarcerated, on remand or perhaps in a military setting I can understand but a civilian? Why should an exception be made?

You aren't wasting your time replying, I am not aiming to troll or wind anyone up. I genuinely agree with my above statements and don't find them wrong, ill-conceived or flippant. It saddens me people down vote my comments just because they disagree with my conclusion.

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Oh, I see. As others have pointed out, very unlikely he could be done for treason given he isn't American. But let's not let facts get in the way of some good down voting.

You're right, as a non-American he'd just get sent to Gitmo where he faces indefinite detention without any recourse, without any legal rights or constitutionally required due process, and endless torture+interrogations for the rest of his life. But at least he can't be found guilty of treason in a constitutionally bound American court system by a jury of peers!

Have any changes been made against him in the US to date? Genuinely don't know the answer and a cursory search I can't see anything obvious.

Also, why would the US not have an extradition request for him open with the UK? The UK would be much more likely to do as the USA pleases than Sweden.

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Manipulate an election? What? Firstly, Clinton straight out won more votes then Sanders, secondly, it's absolutely legitimate for leadership of a political party to try to influence who that party nominates as its candidate. It's an organization. Sanders could have run for president as a socialist and nothing was stopping him from doing so.

Hang on, I think you're misunderstanding my objection. Clinton won a majority, so the primary wasn't "stolen". She probably would have won without any DNC intervention, so it wasn't "rigged", either. And the DNC is under no duty to be objective, so it wasn't malfeasance in that sense. My complaint is specifically that the DNC denied attempting to skew things to Hillary, and collected money while pretending to be neut…

I guess, although you have to realize the reality of politics is often like this. It is because the voters on average are quite misinformed, so they will not understand the nuance of the situation. So, yes, they got caught in a lie and had to resign as a result.
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