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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by dmschulman »

fixermark wrote: post #167
dmschulman wrote: post #138

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That's a bit of a stretch to reach the conclusion the DNC and RNC are "state funded". Poll workers are volunteers, the machines are bought with taxpayer money but they are used for multiple types elections (from state to federal).

Not all poll workers are volunteers. I'm a majority inspector; I'm state-paid. I'm required to show up for the primaries.

But you're not a federal employee, that isn't your full time job. That's a responsibility you volunteered to take on, the fact that you get compensated for your time every time there's a primary vote doesn't imply you're an agent of the state, it's not a "functional equivalent".

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by dmschulman »

emp_zealoth wrote: post #110
Jtsummers wrote: post #74

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Neither the DNC, RNC, nor any other political party organization is a federal institution.

Doesn't it make it even worse? A private, oblique organisation has effective stranglehold on who gets the shot at presidency with little oversight, because "private"

Someone didn't pay attention in civics class. You'd prefer the federal government to manage the decisions of all the major political parties?

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by Trill-I-Am »

SCAQTony wrote: post #123

The subject at hand is not about Wikileaks' journalistic ethics, rather it is about a reward for a murder of an DNC worker during what police suspect was an "attempted robbery" even though nothing of value was taken from his body. Both the family and Wikileaks are suspicious since he has been identified as the leaker of the DNC emails. I don't see this as Wikileaks grandstanding if he was the true leaker but YMMV. Fr…

Who's identified him as the leaker?

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by harshreality »

vasilipupkin wrote: post #159
Bartweiss wrote: post #63

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> The DNC isn't even a government, wasn't the whole point of WikiLeaks to hold governments and their leaders accountable? I agree that this was personally motivated, but that's a pretty laughable claim. A major political institution was attempting to manipulate an election for the US Presidency, but it's outside Wikileaks' purview because the DNC isn't technically part of the government? Vetting and bias are topics w…

Manipulate an election? What? Firstly, Clinton straight out won more votes then Sanders, secondly, it's absolutely legitimate for leadership of a political party to try to influence who that party nominates as its candidate. It's an organization. Sanders could have run for president as a socialist and nothing was stopping him from doing so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

In light of that, if you don't believe parties have a duty to be fair to all primary contenders, then I'm at a loss. How do you expect to avoid cronyism and corruption when "private" political parties are outed working to bias primaries and you say that's okay?

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Post by Frondo »

pmyjavec wrote: post #177
tstactplsignore wrote: post #170

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It's because Assange is just offering this reward to create this news story in order to harm Hillary Clinton as much as possible as part of his personal vendetta against her. I respect Manning and Snowden immensely, but Assange now is clearly playing a personal game which happens to be extremely dangerous for the rest of us.

The guy has practically sacrificed his life and you think he is going to offer $20,000 just to hurt Hillary Clinton? He is a smart guy and I'm sure if his intention was to get revenge on her he might be able to come up with something a little more creative no?

Yes, he's admitted in interviews that he has a vendetta against Clinton. Smart people act impulsively and irrationally, too, of course.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by vasilipupkin »

harshreality wrote: post #184
vasilipupkin wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manipulate an election? What? Firstly, Clinton straight out won more votes then Sanders, secondly, it's absolutely legitimate for leadership of a political party to try to influence who that party nominates as its candidate. It's an organization. Sanders could have run for president as a socialist and nothing was stopping him from doing so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law In light of that, if you don't believe parties have a duty to be fair to all primary contenders, then I'm at a loss. How do you expect to avoid cronyism and corruption when "private" political parties are outed working to bias primaries and you say that's okay?

what does "fair" mean? A party's purpose is to advance a set of ideas. So, absolutely, the party leadership can choose not to be fair to a primary candidate that does not support those ideas. As an example, if Sanders is a socialist and wants to advance socialist ideas, he can form his own party and have it be on the ballot. And that party should be free to reject primary candidates who are not socialists, no? otherwise, why have parties in the first place ?

Having said all that, the democratic primary election was pretty fair and the current candidate is the one who won the most votes.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by alex_hitchins »

skylan_q wrote: post #165
alex_hitchins wrote: post #125

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He can leave at any time remember. The locks are on the inside of his door. EDIT: Awesome! Downvoted with no comment!

If he leaves, he goes to jail.

But he can leave. He isn't in jail. It is his choice to stay where he is. I really can't see why people insist he is being held there against his will.

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Post by ceejayoz »

jazzyk wrote: post #155
ceejayoz wrote: post #26

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge > The site was described by CNNMoney as offering a "deeply conspiratorial, anti-establishment and pessimistic view of the world." Financial journalists Felix Salmon and Justin Fox have characterized the site as conspiratorial. Fox described Ivandjiiski as "a wonderfully persistent investigative reporter" and credited him for successfully turning high-frequency trading "into a…

>Economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman You'll excuse me wanting a slightly better source.

Good thing there are five others in the section I quoted alone.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by fixermark »

dmschulman wrote: post #181
fixermark wrote: post #167

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Not all poll workers are volunteers. I'm a majority inspector; I'm state-paid. I'm required to show up for the primaries.

But you're not a federal employee, that isn't your full time job. That's a responsibility you volunteered to take on, the fact that you get compensated for your time every time there's a primary vote doesn't imply you're an agent of the state, it's not a "functional equivalent".

The fact that I'm compensated means I am not a volunteer. In fact, I'm an elected official. It isn't my full-time job, but that's irrelevant.

The state pays me to assist with the operations of the taxpayer-purchased-and-funded voting machines for the purpose of executing both the Democrat and Republican primary elections (and no other primary elections) on PA primary day. I don't know how that can be not "state-funded."

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by skylan_q »

alex_hitchins wrote: post #187
skylan_q wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he leaves, he goes to jail.

But he can leave. He isn't in jail. It is his choice to stay where he is. I really can't see why people insist he is being held there against his will.

Yes, you're right. I suppose it is a very comfortable position to be in and we should envy him.

Thanks!

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