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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by johnmarius » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:38 PM UTC

Clubber wrote: post #38

SmellTheGlove wrote: post #18

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It's simpler than that. In the past, information was passed to trusted reporters because the media was trusted. A lot of what Wikileaks is reporting now is that the media is coordinating with the same people that these leaks are about in the first place. In other words, the media isn't trustworthy. So it's a choice, put it out whole, or take a real risk that it'll never see the light of day. You could argue that Wiki…

So why not run it through reporters and if they bury the story, then release it. Snowden ran his story through reporters and it certainly wasn't buried.

That's the things seen and unseen fallacy. Suppose some parts were buried, you wouldn't know of them.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by lhnz » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:39 PM UTC

Wikileaks is the new Fourth Estate. They're doing a job which the old media seems no longer interested in taking on.

It's not responsible to let conspiracy theories about this bubble under the surface without any evidence. Hopefully we will all get some clarity on whether this relates to the DNC leaks or the murders were just coincidental.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by krapp » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:39 PM UTC

dpweb wrote: post #132

ceejayoz wrote: post #14

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Which is, again, not evidence that anything got rigged . The RNC had a similar anti-Trump preference. There's similarly no evidence they rigged anything against him.

There is proof that the RNC did not rig the elections against Trump, he won. That's impossible if it was rigged. While there may not be proof that the DNC rigged it against Sanders, that doesn't prove it wasn't rigged. It only proves that no evidence has come to light that it was rigged.

>There is proof that the RNC did not rig the elections against Trump, he won. That's impossible if it was rigged.

And yet Trump has accused the RNC process of being rigged many times. Strange how the current narrative seems to be that only the DNC is exceptionally corrupt, to the point of rigging an election, and possibly having Seth Rich killed as if the Democratic party was literally a crime syndicate.

There really isn't proof of anything, either way, other than "rigged elections" being the current political accusation du jour.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by CaptSpify » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:41 PM UTC

zzalpha wrote: post #27

jfaucett wrote: post #19

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either all information is public or only those in the power elite circles, which control media and its mediums, will have access to all information. I would rather the power rest in the hands of a well informed many since this is an inherently more fault tolerant system than the orwellian future your assertions seem to imply.

Sounds great! Please post your complete medical and financial history here. Thanks!

You might find this interesting:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/08/this-man...

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by jazzyk » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:44 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #26

billbail wrote: post #21

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Take a look at the evidence. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-23/leaked-dnc-emails-c...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge > The site was described by CNNMoney as offering a "deeply conspiratorial, anti-establishment and pessimistic view of the world." Financial journalists Felix Salmon and Justin Fox have characterized the site as conspiratorial. Fox described Ivandjiiski as "a wonderfully persistent investigative reporter" and credited him for successfully turning high-frequency trading "into a…

>Economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman

You'll excuse me wanting a slightly better source.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by imron » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:44 PM UTC

skylan_q wrote: post #102

imron wrote: post #77

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> Assange's transparent conflation of the murder of Seth Rich with "our sources" is obvious. Exactly. It would be careless in the extreme to just accidentally out a source like this, and for all his faults, Assange is far more intelligent and careful than that.

Outing a source that's already dead and everyone who wants anyone connected to him controlled/dead? No, I don't think there's any added risk at this point.

Not in this case, but if it turns out Seth Rich was the source, then I imagine future sources will be wary about leaking to an organisation who carelessly gives away their identities in media interviews.

Also compare it to Assange's previous statements about the importance of protecting the anonymity of their sources and that creating ambiguity and uncertainty is one way of doing that.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by 7Z7 » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:46 PM UTC

dpweb wrote: post #132

ceejayoz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is, again, not evidence that anything got rigged . The RNC had a similar anti-Trump preference. There's similarly no evidence they rigged anything against him.

There is proof that the RNC did not rig the elections against Trump, he won. That's impossible if it was rigged. While there may not be proof that the DNC rigged it against Sanders, that doesn't prove it wasn't rigged. It only proves that no evidence has come to light that it was rigged.

>It only proves that no evidence has come to light that it was rigged.

That is all that anyone is really arguing here, contrary to this assertion:

>..just when Wikileaks released info that the DNC primaries were rigged

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by tuna-piano » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:47 PM UTC

chatmasta wrote: post #109

Of course you'll be called a "conspiracy theorist" for speculating about this case in any way deviating from the official narrative. But the circumstances are extremely suspicious. The DNC voter expansion data director was found shot dead, assassination style, two bullets in the back, in one of the safest neighborhoods of DC. Nothing was taken off his person. No forensic evidence was left behind. Yet the police deeme…

Conspiracy theories aren't by their nature idiotic. Many coverups, lies etc have happened in the past, and will happen in the future.

Moon landing conspiracy theories are dumb not because they are conspiracy theories, but because all the evidence is against them.

The evidence on whether this was a conspiracy or not seems inconclusive. Just by probability, probably more likely a random act than an assassination. But the conspiracy theory certainly isn't moon landing level crazy. I don't believe anyone can claim to be certain about this case (besides notorious HRC 1).

1-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hBnwPycFUQ

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by vasilipupkin » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:47 PM UTC

Bartweiss wrote: post #63

dmschulman wrote: post #44

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That's a bit of a strawman argument. The least they could do is vet the material with reporters, the media would have jumped all over these emails. If their reporting partners for some reason determined they didn't want to run with the story, then WikiLeaks could just go ahead and do what they've already done. The fact that they don't care about the vetting aspect anymore just confirms the DNC leak was petty and pers…

> The DNC isn't even a government, wasn't the whole point of WikiLeaks to hold governments and their leaders accountable? I agree that this was personally motivated, but that's a pretty laughable claim. A major political institution was attempting to manipulate an election for the US Presidency, but it's outside Wikileaks' purview because the DNC isn't technically part of the government? Vetting and bias are topics w…

Manipulate an election? What? Firstly, Clinton straight out won more votes then Sanders, secondly, it's absolutely legitimate for leadership of a political party to try to influence who that party nominates as its candidate. It's an organization. Sanders could have run for president as a socialist and nothing was stopping him from doing so.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by superswordfish » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:47 PM UTC

It happened at 4am in Bloomingdale, a recently gentrifying and possibly the robberiest neighborhood in DC right now, during a wave of robberies. The police said there was sign of a struggle, the guy was almost certainly shot in a botched robbery attempt. The conspiracy theories are offensive.