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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by Practicality » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:19 PM UTC

jfaucett wrote: post #55

zzalpha wrote: post #27

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Sounds great! Please post your complete medical and financial history here. Thanks!

Ok. Medical: chronic PVT, and pseudobraintumor due to tetracycline allergie. Financial History 40k per year from 2011-2015 , last year no income, master student CS. That sums it up, I should probably post the details on github soon, since that is the policy of the company im founding following buffer.io precedent. It is my firm belief that openness and honesty is as important for societal progress as it is for the sc…

I could not agree more. I've learned to be ridiculously honest over recent years and it makes everyone happier (in the long run).

When everyone knows the truth they can make better decisions. This applies at all levels. Secrets hurt everyone.

(This does not apply to security things, like passwords, bank account numbers and the location of my house key).

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by Avshalom » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:19 PM UTC

leaveyou wrote: post #86

eli wrote: post #49

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> Is there solid proof that Rich was really the victim of a failed robbery and not revenge disguised as robbery ? What would "solid proof" look like? Someone confessing? What if that person were paid off? This is the problem with conspiracy theories: they are impossible to disprove to believers. Any evidence against them just serves to prove how deep the conspiracy goes.

I used "solid proof" as a placeholder for "more facts, not opinions, indicating that". Some facts indicate it was not a robbery: "They took his life for literally no reason. They didn't finish robbing him, they just took his life,". Others leave robbery as a possibility: "signs of struggle, bruised hands and knees", "walking at 4:20 a.m while talking to the phone". http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Kil…

Well there's no solid proof it wasn't David Icke's lizard people shooting him for knowing to much either. Or a jilted lover, or one of Trump's Second Amendment People, or that he shot himself and then threw the gun down a storm drain before bleeding out.

You've already jumped to "guy getting shot in DC because that shit happens sometimes" as merely a possibility that hasn't been completely ruled out.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by SCAQTony » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:20 PM UTC

The subject at hand is not about Wikileaks' journalistic ethics, rather it is about a reward for a murder of an DNC worker during what police suspect was an "attempted robbery" even though nothing of value was taken from his body. Both the family and Wikileaks are suspicious since he has been identified as the leaker of the DNC emails. I don't see this as Wikileaks grandstanding if he was the true leaker but YMMV.

From the Washington Post: "...Rich was shot twice in the back as he walked to his townhouse about 4:20 a.m. Nothing was taken, but police have said attempted robbery is their leading theory for a motive, noting a spike in robberies in the neighborhood in the preceding weeks. WikiLeaks released the trove of emails later that month, on July 22...."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/wikileaks...

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by ethanbond » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:20 PM UTC

DominikR wrote: post #51

parfe wrote: post #20

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>"Whistle-blowers go to significant efforts to get us material and often very significant risks," Assange said. "As a 27-year-old, works for the DNC, was shot in the back, murdered just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington." >When the interviewer interjected that the murder may have been a robbery, Assange pushed back. >"No," he said. "There’s no finding. So… I’m suggest…

Oh believe me he will leak the proof for it too. He will slowly destroy the Democrats by constantly leaking proof of their outright criminal conduct. And Trump doesn't strike me as a man that will allow the Clintons to get away from this. He will definitely persecute them to the fullest extent after he has won the elections, he even said himself that he believes Hillary should go to prison.

You meant "prosecute."

Err, wait... Maybe not.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by alex_hitchins » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:21 PM UTC

skylan_q wrote: post #92

Vermeulen wrote: post #30

it's pretty clear from interviews with Assange that Wikileaks is entirely ego driven, and always has been. When his trial was happening rather than let Wikileaks distance itself from it, like other leaders like this would, he used it as a tool to argue his case to the public. He has been releasing information out of spite rather than public good. An impartial organization like Wikileaks should exist, that whistleblow…

Yes, being cooped up in an embassy for years while state actors hold phony charges against you threatening your arrest must be for the thrill of it.

He can leave at any time remember. The locks are on the inside of his door.

EDIT: Awesome! Downvoted with no comment!

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by Bartweiss » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:21 PM UTC

evilDagmar wrote: post #95

SmellTheGlove wrote: post #18

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It's simpler than that. In the past, information was passed to trusted reporters because the media was trusted. A lot of what Wikileaks is reporting now is that the media is coordinating with the same people that these leaks are about in the first place. In other words, the media isn't trustworthy. So it's a choice, put it out whole, or take a real risk that it'll never see the light of day. You could argue that Wiki…

You both appear to be forgetting something much more important. Information was passed to trusted reporters because they were the only ones who had access and the ability to publish in a newspaper so that many people could be informed at once. This is no longer exclusively the purview of newspaper/television reporters.

I'm disappointed by the failure to work with some of the really good reporters, simply because they're good at what they do. But it's hard to argue that circumventing mainstream news is somehow inherently wrong at this point.

If someone pressed Assange on this matter, I imagine he'd point out that he has more experience examining and organizing major leaks than almost any reporter. And, further, that he trusts himself more than he trusts the objectivity of reporters.

Now, I can disagree on those claims, and I think I do, but there's no particular reason an experienced data-handler is inherently wrong for not using reporters.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by jklinger410 » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:21 PM UTC

dvcc wrote: post #2

WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

>There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted.

We no longer have these as they all get arrested for one reason or another. Scary.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by dmschulman » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:22 PM UTC

SmellTheGlove wrote: post #68

Bartweiss wrote: post #63

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> The DNC isn't even a government, wasn't the whole point of WikiLeaks to hold governments and their leaders accountable? I agree that this was personally motivated, but that's a pretty laughable claim. A major political institution was attempting to manipulate an election for the US Presidency, but it's outside Wikileaks' purview because the DNC isn't technically part of the government? Vetting and bias are topics w…

Given how much money goes into an election, this level of collusion should piss you off at least a little if you supported Bernie Sanders, right? It's not an outright fix, but if the deck was stacked, any donations to candidates other than Hillary Clinton were sort of like pissing into the ocean. Maybe a little less satisfying than that. I agree that it was personally motivated. I just don't care. I want to know if o…

It's not collusion, the decisions are all being made within the party. It's wrong and unfortunate the way Sanders was treated by the DNC (I supported and donate to Sanders), but it's the DNC's call to operate however they want to operate.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:23 PM UTC

SmellTheGlove wrote: post #18

dvcc wrote: post #2

WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

It's simpler than that. In the past, information was passed to trusted reporters because the media was trusted. A lot of what Wikileaks is reporting now is that the media is coordinating with the same people that these leaks are about in the first place. In other words, the media isn't trustworthy. So it's a choice, put it out whole, or take a real risk that it'll never see the light of day. You could argue that Wiki…

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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by dr_ » Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 2:23 PM UTC

chatmasta wrote: post #109

Of course you'll be called a "conspiracy theorist" for speculating about this case in any way deviating from the official narrative. But the circumstances are extremely suspicious. The DNC voter expansion data director was found shot dead, assassination style, two bullets in the back, in one of the safest neighborhoods of DC. Nothing was taken off his person. No forensic evidence was left behind. Yet the police deeme…

It occurred around 4 in the morning, in an area with several recent robberies. He was also pretty banged up apparently, implying a struggle. If you were intending to assassinate someone, you probably wouldn't fight with them first.