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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by mason240 »

dmschulman wrote: post #44
SmellTheGlove wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's simpler than that. In the past, information was passed to trusted reporters because the media was trusted. A lot of what Wikileaks is reporting now is that the media is coordinating with the same people that these leaks are about in the first place. In other words, the media isn't trustworthy. So it's a choice, put it out whole, or take a real risk that it'll never see the light of day. You could argue that Wiki…

That's a bit of a strawman argument. The least they could do is vet the material with reporters, the media would have jumped all over these emails. If their reporting partners for some reason determined they didn't want to run with the story, then WikiLeaks could just go ahead and do what they've already done. The fact that they don't care about the vetting aspect anymore just confirms the DNC leak was petty and pers…

>The DNC isn't even a government, wasn't the whole point of WikiLeaks to hold governments and their leaders accountable?

Something tells me you would not be making this comment if they released leaks that implicated "evil" corporations like Exxon-Mobile, Wal-Mart, Koch, ect.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by Practicality »

eli wrote: post #75
jfaucett wrote: post #55

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Ok. Medical: chronic PVT, and pseudobraintumor due to tetracycline allergie. Financial History 40k per year from 2011-2015 , last year no income, master student CS. That sums it up, I should probably post the details on github soon, since that is the policy of the company im founding following buffer.io precedent. It is my firm belief that openness and honesty is as important for societal progress as it is for the sc…

Why did you redact or omit your social security number and bank account numbers?

You're conflating privacy and security (which are similar I know).

If you know my entire banking history that's a privacy issue (which jfaucett was ok with). However, if you are able to access my account and take money, that's a security problem.

The line can get really fuzzy sometimes, but they are different issues.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by tanderson92 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #94
tanderson92 wrote: post #24

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This is a weak talking point. The DNC has in its charter that it must be neutral. What the RNC may have thought of Trump is irrelevant. Anyway, you really want to be playing moral limbo with the RNC right now? That is where the moral high ground is? As others mentioned, there was coordination on talking points as well to discredit his campaign.

The DNC also has in its charter that they must work to get Democratic candidates elected and work towards getting the ideals of the Democratic Party implemented. Sanders didn't lose because the DNC said mean things in their internal email system. He likely lost because he never made much of a dent in the heavily black Democratic voting population in the South.

Did I say anything about why he lost? In fact most of these e-mails released so far occurred after he had little chance of winning. Nope, pure distraction in an attempt to deflect from my points.

Also see: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/11056

I'm sure you'll be back to "correct the record"!

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by SEJeff »

Someone1234 wrote: post #108

Very strong anti-Wikileaks vibe in this thread. But, why? Someone was murdered (irrespective of if they're a Wikileaks source or not) and Wikileaks is putting money on the table to help get it solved and bringing greater attention to it. In my book trying to help solve murders is a Good Thing™. I have to say I am surprised, in 2016, how well the Red Scare still works in the US. You say Russia is behind something and…

I was all for them (sans Assange) until I realized they've become somewhat delusional. You go from outing corporate and government corruption (good), to outing private information for normal people http://gizmodo.com/wikileaks-just-published-tons-of-personal... BAD.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by sitic »

tanderson92 wrote: post #70
cynicalkane wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The context of the "interference" is that people affiliated with the Sanders campaign were accusing them of rigging the Nevada primary, which very obviously did not happen. It's very reasonable for the DNC to work with the media to defend itself against nonsense allegations.

This is false, and your "correcting the record" is only spreading mistruths. This e-mail in particular is clear discussion of acting on promoting a narrative (i.e. shopping it to news organizations) to discredit Bernie's campaign: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/11056 I'm sure you'll find a way to explain that away though.

This email is dated May 21, just 2 weeks before AP called the primary for Clinton. It was pretty clear by that point to everyone that Clinton would win the primary.

I'm not surprised to see DNC discussing narratives for the point when the primary is over.

This is no evidence that the primary was rigged.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by rayvd »

Someone1234 wrote: post #108

Very strong anti-Wikileaks vibe in this thread. But, why? Someone was murdered (irrespective of if they're a Wikileaks source or not) and Wikileaks is putting money on the table to help get it solved and bringing greater attention to it. In my book trying to help solve murders is a Good Thing™. I have to say I am surprised, in 2016, how well the Red Scare still works in the US. You say Russia is behind something and…

Hero to the progressive left -- until Assange starts targeting one of their own...

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by sanderjd »

tanderson92 wrote: post #70
cynicalkane wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The context of the "interference" is that people affiliated with the Sanders campaign were accusing them of rigging the Nevada primary, which very obviously did not happen. It's very reasonable for the DNC to work with the media to defend itself against nonsense allegations.

This is false, and your "correcting the record" is only spreading mistruths. This e-mail in particular is clear discussion of acting on promoting a narrative (i.e. shopping it to news organizations) to discredit Bernie's campaign: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/11056 I'm sure you'll find a way to explain that away though.

I feel like I'm just a curious bystander here - I haven't read much about the emails, nor looked at any of them individually until clicking on your link, so I really haven't formed an opinion on how noxious they are - but I don't see the smoking gun you seem to see in that email... Could you provide some more perspective on the issue, for those of us who are new to this debate?

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by Clubber »

busterarm wrote: post #98
Clubber wrote: post #62

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The media is spinning it and reporting it now. I'm fine with the release, I'm not fine with essentially doxxing all the donors. Also, Assange is currently putting his own spin on it implying the DNC staffer that died was murdered. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

> implying the DNC staffer that died was murdered. The DNC staffer that died _was murdered_. That's exactly what happened. I think what you mean is they're implying motive and conspiracy. A $20k reward might clear the air either way.

>I think what you mean is they're implying motive and conspiracy.

Yes, thanks for correcting that.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by alex_hitchins »

eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #22
dvcc wrote: post #2

WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

Agreed. He's become a megalomaniac; the exact kind of person he fought to stop. Which is really unfortunate, because I do think there is a need for a Wikileaks-type service, especially given the declining state of journalism.

Or, people now see his megalomaniacal ways more so than they did before.

I know this will get downvoted, but I'll say it anyway.

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