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WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

> turned into a show

Do you have any proof it was anything but from day 1?

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

#82
post #41

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It's simpler than that. In the past, information was passed to trusted reporters because the media was trusted. A lot of what Wikileaks is reporting now is that the media is coordinating with the same people that these leaks are about in the first place. In other words, the media isn't trustworthy. So it's a choice, put it out whole, or take a real risk that it'll never see the light of day. You could argue that Wiki…

A lot of what Wikileaks is reporting now is that the media is coordinating with the same people that these leaks are about in the first place. In other words, the media isn't trustworthy. It doesn't work like that. In the past WikiLeaks worked with the media on redaction. Its not like they just handed over the material and stepped away powerless. And they always had the fallback of posting unredacted materials if the…

Also, their former media partners, the NYT and the Guardian, won't work with them any more because of Assange's irresponsible and sociopathic behavior.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

#83
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>"Whistle-blowers go to significant efforts to get us material and often very significant risks," Assange said. "As a 27-year-old, works for the DNC, was shot in the back, murdered just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington." >When the interviewer interjected that the murder may have been a robbery, Assange pushed back. >"No," he said. "There’s no finding. So… I’m suggest…

Oh believe me he will leak the proof for it too. He will slowly destroy the Democrats by constantly leaking proof of their outright criminal conduct. And Trump doesn't strike me as a man that will allow the Clintons to get away from this. He will definitely persecute them to the fullest extent after he has won the elections, he even said himself that he believes Hillary should go to prison.

Why would I believe you when you have no proof and Assange has no proof. If Assange has proof he should release it, otherwise he's just injecting more conspiracy theories into an election that is already poisoned by them.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Take a look at the evidence. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-23/leaked-dnc-emails-c...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge > The site was described by CNNMoney as offering a "deeply conspiratorial, anti-establishment and pessimistic view of the world." Financial journalists Felix Salmon and Justin Fox have characterized the site as conspiratorial. Fox described Ivandjiiski as "a wonderfully persistent investigative reporter" and credited him for successfully turning high-frequency trading "into a…

Zerohedge is just the inverse of the New York Times.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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I wonder what was Seth Rich's job at DNC ? Technically, could he have leaked those emails ? How can we be sure Assange is dishonest when he implies Seth Rich was the source ? Is there solid proof that Rich was really the victim of a failed robbery and not revenge disguised as robbery ?

> Is there solid proof that Rich was really the victim of a failed robbery and not revenge disguised as robbery ? What would "solid proof" look like? Someone confessing? What if that person were paid off? This is the problem with conspiracy theories: they are impossible to disprove to believers. Any evidence against them just serves to prove how deep the conspiracy goes.

I used "solid proof" as a placeholder for "more facts, not opinions, indicating that". Some facts indicate it was not a robbery: "They took his life for literally no reason. They didn't finish robbing him, they just took his life,". Others leave robbery as a possibility: "signs of struggle, bruised hands and knees", "walking at 4:20 a.m while talking to the phone".

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-in-N...

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

#87
post #6

Wikileaks, and Assange specifically, keep implying Seth Rich leaked them DNC emails to attention whore on his death. Really disgusting behavior.

I wonder what was Seth Rich's job at DNC ? Technically, could he have leaked those emails ? How can we be sure Assange is dishonest when he implies Seth Rich was the source ? Is there solid proof that Rich was really the victim of a failed robbery and not revenge disguised as robbery ?

He was working on a GOTV project. No, he wouldn't have those emails. And yes, there's evidence of a struggle, so it certainly sounds like there was a mugging, but he put up a fight and was killed -- and so after killing him, the criminal took off without the wallet.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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It is disappointing to see simple statements of facts down voted.

I wouldn't get too hung up on it. I've found, on HN, downvote abuse usually gets reversed over time.

Agreed. Looks like it already has.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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post #25
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WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

Wikileaks has always been political. If someone leaked the rnc's emails, those would probably be out too. Let's not forget Cablegate in 2010. I walked around in Philadelphia talking with DNC protestors, during the DNC. Most of them were democrats, who were glad to have evidence of corruption and collusion between the DNC and Media. Most of the protesters I talked with, only had good things to say about wikileaks, and…

I come to HN and everyone is all about transparency on everything until HRC is attacked. Then it's all "Wikileaks are bad people because I like Hillary."

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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It's simpler than that. In the past, information was passed to trusted reporters because the media was trusted. A lot of what Wikileaks is reporting now is that the media is coordinating with the same people that these leaks are about in the first place. In other words, the media isn't trustworthy. So it's a choice, put it out whole, or take a real risk that it'll never see the light of day. You could argue that Wiki…

That's a bit of a strawman argument. The least they could do is vet the material with reporters, the media would have jumped all over these emails. If their reporting partners for some reason determined they didn't want to run with the story, then WikiLeaks could just go ahead and do what they've already done. The fact that they don't care about the vetting aspect anymore just confirms the DNC leak was petty and pers…

> wasn't the whole point of WikiLeaks to hold governments and their leaders accountable?

No, not exactly.

WikiLeaks specializes in the analysis and publication of large datasets of censored or otherwise restricted official materials involving war, spying and corruption.[1]

I would definitely say the DNC leak was restricted official materials involving corruption.

[1] https://wikileaks.org/What-is-Wikileaks.html

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