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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by patrickaljord »

ceejayoz wrote: post #7
patrickaljord wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it weird that all these critiques from liberals come just when Wikileaks released info that the DNC primaries were rigged. Before that, it was pretty much all praise. Now, it turns out one of their informant may have been the victim of political assassination and you focus on the fact that they released a conversation of a dad and his daughter, which is of course a blunder but still, compared to the other pote…

There is precisely zero evidence the DNC primaries were rigged in the Wikileaks DNC content.

Except for a few people who had to quit their jobs and clear favoritism from the DNC chief which is supposed to be neutral:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi...

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by ZoF »

patrickaljord wrote: post #5
dvcc wrote: post #2

WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

I find it weird that all these critiques from liberals come just when Wikileaks released info that the DNC primaries were rigged. Before that, it was pretty much all praise. Now, it turns out one of their informant may have been the victim of political assassination and you focus on the fact that they released a conversation of a dad and his daughter, which is of course a blunder but still, compared to the other pote…

*Critiques from liberals

But yes, agreed; Wikileaks wasn't an issue until the leaks started showing corruption of the DNC.

Now that it has, apparently the corruption isn't the problem, that evidence of corruption can be leaked is the problem.

Hmm.... Really makes you think.

Time to Correct The Record.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by dvcc »

patrickaljord wrote: post #5
dvcc wrote: post #2

WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

I find it weird that all these critiques from liberals come just when Wikileaks released info that the DNC primaries were rigged. Before that, it was pretty much all praise. Now, it turns out one of their informant may have been the victim of political assassination and you focus on the fact that they released a conversation of a dad and his daughter, which is of course a blunder but still, compared to the other pote…

From my perspective, the DNC leaks really didn't show that the primaries were rigged. It basically just showed that workers within an organization are human and naturally form biases. These were not public communications from the DNC, but private conversations between individuals. Expecting them to practice full-neutrality in every conversation is a little too much to expect.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by ceejayoz »

patrickaljord wrote: post #11
ceejayoz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is precisely zero evidence the DNC primaries were rigged in the Wikileaks DNC content.

Except for a few people who had to quit their jobs and clear favoritism from the DNC chief which is supposed to be neutral: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi...

Which is, again, not evidence that anything got rigged.

The RNC had a similar anti-Trump preference. There's similarly no evidence they rigged anything against him.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by ceejayoz »

mistermann wrote: post #9
ceejayoz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is precisely zero evidence the DNC primaries were rigged in the Wikileaks DNC content.

Did the DNC favor one candidate over another in any way?

They had a clear preference, just like the RNC preferred a non-Trump candidate. Imagine what you'd read about Trump in their emails.

That's not evidence of election rigging.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by leaveyou »

parfe wrote: post #6

Wikileaks, and Assange specifically, keep implying Seth Rich leaked them DNC emails to attention whore on his death. Really disgusting behavior.

I wonder what was Seth Rich's job at DNC ? Technically, could he have leaked those emails ? How can we be sure Assange is dishonest when he implies Seth Rich was the source ? Is there solid proof that Rich was really the victim of a failed robbery and not revenge disguised as robbery ?

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by patrickaljord »

ceejayoz wrote: post #15
mistermann wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the DNC favor one candidate over another in any way?

They had a clear preference, just like the RNC preferred a non-Trump candidate. Imagine what you'd read about Trump in their emails. That's not evidence of election rigging.

It was not just preference, they interfered with the media to change their peaces on Clinton. It's not just opinions here, they acted on them.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by SmellTheGlove »

dvcc wrote: post #2

WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

It's simpler than that. In the past, information was passed to trusted reporters because the media was trusted. A lot of what Wikileaks is reporting now is that the media is coordinating with the same people that these leaks are about in the first place. In other words, the media isn't trustworthy. So it's a choice, put it out whole, or take a real risk that it'll never see the light of day. You could argue that Wikileaks could be doing its own editing to redact sensitive irrelevant information, but then they're curating the content and are open to criticism regarding whether they're editing with a bias.

I get it, I don't like that innocent people's information is out there. However, it's a hard choice that Wikileaks is making there in how to put the information out there. It's not as simple as running it through reporters, because you don't know if you can trust them.

I don't think it's a political mess, though. You only really hear that when the information casts the "liberals" in a bad light. It's a lot easier to rip Wikileaks when it's a matter of national security, but in this case, it's fairly evident we had a biased primary and the media was complicit in that.

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Post by jfaucett »

dvcc wrote: post #2

WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

either all information is public or only those in the power elite circles, which control media and its mediums, will have access to all information. I would rather the power rest in the hands of a well informed many since this is an inherently more fault tolerant system than the orwellian future your assertions seem to imply.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by parfe »

leaveyou wrote: post #16
parfe wrote: post #6

Wikileaks, and Assange specifically, keep implying Seth Rich leaked them DNC emails to attention whore on his death. Really disgusting behavior.

I wonder what was Seth Rich's job at DNC ? Technically, could he have leaked those emails ? How can we be sure Assange is dishonest when he implies Seth Rich was the source ? Is there solid proof that Rich was really the victim of a failed robbery and not revenge disguised as robbery ?

>"Whistle-blowers go to significant efforts to get us material and often very significant risks," Assange said. "As a 27-year-old, works for the DNC, was shot in the back, murdered just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington."

>When the interviewer interjected that the murder may have been a robbery, Assange pushed back.

>"No," he said. "There’s no finding. So… I’m suggesting that our sources take risks."

>When pressed as to whether Rich was, in fact, the leaker, Assange stated that the organization does not reveal its sources.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/10/assange-implies-m...

Assange's transparent conflation of the murder of Seth Rich with "our sources" is obvious. He won't outright lie and claim Rich as a source, but he's nakedly prodding you to form your own conspiracy theory.

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