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“Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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What usability problems did you experience vs Chrome?

Most notably, for me, I'm stuck using Yahoo as the default search engine. I can change the default to Google, but the preference resets when the window closes. Edit: It appears only browser instances launched with Selenium are affected. Instances launched the usual way default to Google as expected.

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Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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It would be really cool if Tor became like an open web standard that every browser supported. We would be able to freely host services with incredibly strong privacy guarantees and then work them into existing web infrastructure so that normal users can benefit from strong privacy without having any special knowledge. Doing the same thing with Bitcoin wallets would also be a good idea, though I'd want for there to be…

The only problem with that is limited levels of trust - e.g. if you have Tor support baked into your browser, you have to trust that the magic "Tor on" button isn't compromised. This isn't a problem that just using Tor in an existing browser install is supposed to solve/be any better at, but it suddenly becomes an incredible target for any state actors/other large-scale entities who know they're going to want to supp…

True, but for casual users, simply being able to natively and transparently access .onion sites would be cool even if it didn't have the privacy of the Tor Browser Bundle.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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post #21

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What usability problems did you experience vs Chrome?

not gp, but 1 - crashes, approximately bimonthly. Chrome just doesn't crash for me any more. 2 - very high cpu usage if ff runs long enough. Eventually it will creep up towards consuming 50%+ of a cpu 3 - similar problems with memory usage. Chrome is a pig, but if you close windows, the system gets memory back. FF just doesn't seem to return memory to the system w/o a full restart. 4 - intermittent freezes when loadi…

I also get window rendering issues in FF on Windows 10 after waking my laptop from sleep. The browser can still be used but the frame goes totally white. Very weird.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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I think using Tor as it is intended to be used requires some change in user's browsing habits as well. So pulling in all the Tor specific settings into firefox won't be much help if the user then goes and signs into facebook and gmail.

This could actually be solved by Firefox's new contextual identity project by having the Tor identity isolated.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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What is meant here IS NOT that every Firefox user would be browsing using Tor.

The idea is that the Tor Browser would be standard Firefox with certain strong privacy settings enabled. i.e., the Tor project wouldn't have to patch Firefox source and recompile because their patches would already be in Firefox, just run-time disabled. They wouldn't have to maintain their own set of patches that could be broken by Firefox development. For Tor, stock Firefox would be launched with those (strong privacy) settings enabled.

Tor might have to rework their patches to live in Firefox in this way, but it would simplify their work because Firefox development wouldn't cause upstream breakage of the Tor browser.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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post #21

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What usability problems did you experience vs Chrome?

It stutters when resizing, at times.

Good news is that this should be fixed with Electrolysis, which is currently being rolled out and will make it to your local Firefox installation somewhen in the next few months.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most notably, for me, I'm stuck using Yahoo as the default search engine. I can change the default to Google, but the preference resets when the window closes. Edit: It appears only browser instances launched with Selenium are affected. Instances launched the usual way default to Google as expected.

To change the default search engine you can click the magnifying glass and then click Change Search Settings from there you can set the default search engine.

I know how to change the default search engine, but the settings don't persist from session to session (at least not when the browser is launched from Selenium).

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Note: I believe "un-fork" in this context means the Tor browser being able to use the latest version of Firefox (instead of an old fork), by Mozilla merging-in some of the privacy enhancements made in the Tor Browser, for ordinary clearnet use (likely as default-off options).

It does not mean making Firefox into the Tor Browser.

It's a great way to make the efforts of both teams available to both groups of users. I'm very glad this effort is happening!

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What usability problems did you experience vs Chrome?

Granted, this is non-default config. When blocking third-party cookies, Chrome shows a little icon which you can click to whitelist blocked cookies. There is no such Firefox option that I've found yet. It's also a lot easier to toggle javascript for individual sites in Chrome without extensions.

Back in the day the idea of Firefox was to provide a simple browser that is easily extended. So I'd say that it's by design that you can't do those things easily without extensions. I use NoScript and Cookie Monster to selectively block scripts and cokkies and it works really well.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Note: I believe "un-fork" in this context means the Tor browser being able to use the latest version of Firefox (instead of an old fork), by Mozilla merging-in some of the privacy enhancements made in the Tor Browser, for ordinary clearnet use (likely as default-off options). It does not mean making Firefox into the Tor Browser. It's a great way to make the efforts of both teams available to both groups of users. I'm…

See also this comment further up in the bug:

"Mozilla leadership has already decided to help Tor move toward being able to build off a Release Firefox rather than an ESR--it's safer for our users. I don't know if we'll get to the point where they can just ship a re-packaged bundle with some pref flips and add-ons, but the more of their patches we incorporate into mozilla-central the easier it will be for them to apply their remaining patches each release." (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1173199#c16)

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