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“Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Post by cdmckay »

martinvol wrote: post #18
Paul-ish wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We see that % share is going down for Firefox, but is there any indication that total number of users is dropping for Firefox? I suspect that as more people have been getting on the internet, the absolute number of FF users is actually going up. It stands to reason that Firefox isn't dieing at all.

I broke my Chrome instance and decided to give Firefox a try, and I must say it has A LOT of usability problems compared to Google's. I'd say Mozilla has a lot to work on to avoid losing users, if they aren't already.

What usability problems did you experience vs Chrome?

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Post by Aldo_MX »

FungalRaincloud wrote: post #16

I mean, I think it's a cool idea, but I kind of hope not. Firefox is the only browser that seems to consistently be able to play video at my work, because of aggressive firewalls. If they enable tor by default, it's pretty much guaranteed that it'll be uninstalled from all company machines.

You're misunderstanding, the intention is to integrate any privacy-related change made by the Tor Browser, but in a configurable way via `about:config` under the `privacy.*` namespace.

Firefox should allow you to disable any privacy-concerning feature out-of-the-box, it shouldn't be needed to maintain a separate fork to achieve better privacy.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Post by yeukhon »

yusee wrote: post #17

Who really thinks that the NSA, Palantir, Mossad, Russia, etc. aren't surveilling the dark net? Privacy is dead.

I wouldn't even need to use nation state in this context. If there's an actual human in the dark net, someone is monitoring something there, for example, the price of an exploit.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Post by neoncontrails »

cdmckay wrote: post #21
martinvol wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I broke my Chrome instance and decided to give Firefox a try, and I must say it has A LOT of usability problems compared to Google's. I'd say Mozilla has a lot to work on to avoid losing users, if they aren't already.

What usability problems did you experience vs Chrome?

Most notably, for me, I'm stuck using Yahoo as the default search engine. I can change the default to Google, but the preference resets when the window closes.

Edit: It appears only browser instances launched with Selenium are affected. Instances launched the usual way default to Google as expected.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Post by x0x0 »

cdmckay wrote: post #21
martinvol wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I broke my Chrome instance and decided to give Firefox a try, and I must say it has A LOT of usability problems compared to Google's. I'd say Mozilla has a lot to work on to avoid losing users, if they aren't already.

What usability problems did you experience vs Chrome?

not gp, but

1 - crashes, approximately bimonthly. Chrome just doesn't crash for me any more.

2 - very high cpu usage if ff runs long enough. Eventually it will creep up towards consuming 50%+ of a cpu

3 - similar problems with memory usage. Chrome is a pig, but if you close windows, the system gets memory back. FF just doesn't seem to return memory to the system w/o a full restart.

4 - intermittent freezes when loading new tabs. The entire app becomes unresponsive, long enough to notice / feel jerky.

fwiw, I leave chrome up for weeks on end and don't have these issues. osx 10.9

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Post by discreditable »

cdmckay wrote: post #21
martinvol wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I broke my Chrome instance and decided to give Firefox a try, and I must say it has A LOT of usability problems compared to Google's. I'd say Mozilla has a lot to work on to avoid losing users, if they aren't already.

What usability problems did you experience vs Chrome?

Granted, this is non-default config. When blocking third-party cookies, Chrome shows a little icon which you can click to whitelist blocked cookies. There is no such Firefox option that I've found yet.

It's also a lot easier to toggle javascript for individual sites in Chrome without extensions.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Post by auvrw »

martinvol wrote: post #18
Paul-ish wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We see that % share is going down for Firefox, but is there any indication that total number of users is dropping for Firefox? I suspect that as more people have been getting on the internet, the absolute number of FF users is actually going up. It stands to reason that Firefox isn't dieing at all.

I broke my Chrome instance and decided to give Firefox a try, and I must say it has A LOT of usability problems compared to Google's. I'd say Mozilla has a lot to work on to avoid losing users, if they aren't already.

i'm reading the thread is in the ctx of merging tor vs disabling mathml, which (mathml) isn't implemented in chrome according to mdn.

Re: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”

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Post by chucksmash »

neoncontrails wrote: post #25
cdmckay wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What usability problems did you experience vs Chrome?

Most notably, for me, I'm stuck using Yahoo as the default search engine. I can change the default to Google, but the preference resets when the window closes. Edit: It appears only browser instances launched with Selenium are affected. Instances launched the usual way default to Google as expected.

This was a once only change for me. If this is actually the case (setting not staying...set) you should open a bug report as it's surely not intended.
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