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API providing threat analysis of any given IP address

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Re: API providing threat analysis of any given IP address

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I like this, but I have to tell you what I've been looking for in one of these services for forever. I help develop a fairly popular webgame. One of our biggest headaches is people who are evading bans by using VPNs (public or not), VPSes, etc. Although we've outright blocked some large chunks of IPs (AWS, for instance), I've never seen a good service that identifies those specific blocks. Sometimes I go manually dig…

It has been added to Trello

Re: API providing threat analysis of any given IP address

#32
post #30

I like this, but I have to tell you what I've been looking for in one of these services for forever. I help develop a fairly popular webgame. One of our biggest headaches is people who are evading bans by using VPNs (public or not), VPSes, etc. Although we've outright blocked some large chunks of IPs (AWS, for instance), I've never seen a good service that identifies those specific blocks. Sometimes I go manually dig…

The major providers do this: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/general/latest/gr/aws-ip-ranges.... https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=416...

Yup, and I seriously appreciate those that do that, but it's the small providers which inevitably end up screwing us over. Some small VPS company has a vulnerable server that someone makes a VPN on, and suddenly we get a wave of ban evaders. It ends up being a constant headache.

Re: API providing threat analysis of any given IP address

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The major providers do this: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/general/latest/gr/aws-ip-ranges.... https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=416...

Yup, and I seriously appreciate those that do that, but it's the small providers which inevitably end up screwing us over. Some small VPS company has a vulnerable server that someone makes a VPN on, and suddenly we get a wave of ban evaders. It ends up being a constant headache.

If it's default ports, you can just probe on login and deny it. We do this for a game I've admined for, and it's in the terms of service. Common L2TP, PPTP, etc.

Re: API providing threat analysis of any given IP address

#35

I like this, but I have to tell you what I've been looking for in one of these services for forever. I help develop a fairly popular webgame. One of our biggest headaches is people who are evading bans by using VPNs (public or not), VPSes, etc. Although we've outright blocked some large chunks of IPs (AWS, for instance), I've never seen a good service that identifies those specific blocks. Sometimes I go manually dig…

https://gator.io does a pretty good job at identifying data center IP ranges

Re: API providing threat analysis of any given IP address

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post #18

Tried putting in quite a few IP addresses from /var/log/apache/access.log that have been trying to hit up "wp-config.php" and "phpmyadmin" and whatnot. All of them came back as risk_level 1.

There are a lot of IPs out there. Unlike Pokemon we can't catch them all. It varies but we run less than 50 honeypot nodes in 15 different countries (because I pay for them out of the kindness of my heart each month as we are not yet profitable) right now that would collect this kind of data. Our goal is if we get more people to signup we will add more nodes. Obviously more nodes = more data.

Why not price a little higher, lower it when you get profits?

Re: API providing threat analysis of any given IP address

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I operate two non-exit tor relays. They have both return risk_level: 4 with the "threat" being "tor_tracker". What threat is posed by a non-exit tor relay? What does the "tracker" part of "tor_tracker" mean?

Exit node: https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/463DC28452F676B7A6597A... https://fraudguard.io/?ip=5.196.143.10 Non-exit node: https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/EF4BD6E8E5817690B79C67... https://fraudguard.io/?ip=108.61.199.202 It does not seem to make a distinction between exit and relay nodes, they are both deemed "tor_tracker".

A number of large vendors like Barracuda and Tipping Point do this. A friend of mine one time found that they were unable to log in to pay their TV bill a few days after setting up a relay node. After he made enough noise about this, their engineers investigated, and sure enough, Tipping Point flags a relay node as suspicious for no good reason, and the IPS was blocking his traffic.

On a side note, companies really don't like to deal with people who can't access their site. Being told over and over "It's your ISP", even when on a conference call with said ISP (and nevermind how difficult it was to get that set up with someone who understands the problem) was infuriating.

Re: API providing threat analysis of any given IP address

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Not sure, but I've been put on an IP banlist for simply operating a non-exit relay in the past. Had to switch my home IP. The myth that is perpetuated that if you run a non-exit relay that you'll have no problems with IP bans is definitely wrong.

It's my fault. I'll try to find a way to get this data and eventually adjust my code to not include non-exit relays or at least recategorize them as a lower severity.

Why would they increase the threat profile of an IP in any way at all? An exit node, sure, but a relay? What possible threat could a relay pose?

Re: API providing threat analysis of any given IP address

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of IPs out there. Unlike Pokemon we can't catch them all. It varies but we run less than 50 honeypot nodes in 15 different countries (because I pay for them out of the kindness of my heart each month as we are not yet profitable) right now that would collect this kind of data. Our goal is if we get more people to signup we will add more nodes. Obviously more nodes = more data.

Why not price a little higher, lower it when you get profits?

We never considered it I guess. Like someone else already mentioned there are other options out there but their prices are insanely ridiculous. Starting at $10 /month the three of us devs/creators feel like a competitive price will keep big and small customers happy hopefully long-term.

Re: API providing threat analysis of any given IP address

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's my fault. I'll try to find a way to get this data and eventually adjust my code to not include non-exit relays or at least recategorize them as a lower severity.

Why would they increase the threat profile of an IP in any way at all ? An exit node, sure, but a relay? What possible threat could a relay pose?

Agreed it was a mistake on my part, I'll fix it up shortly to include only exit nodes.
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