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What I learned from the Chinese about our Indian online market

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Re: What I learned from the Chinese about our Indian online market

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A lot of people in India can write in Hindi or English, but not the local language. They don't bother to learn how. For example my fiancée is a native Telugu speaker but she can't write a word in it. There's also a very significant amount of people who can't read or write in any language. It would make using the Internet very difficult.

Hindi is a local language. Those who can't write/read their own mother tongue are the product of the aforementioned linguistic apartheid where the city bred kids (I am one) attend a CBSE/ICSE curriculum that actively discourage non-Hindi/English languages.

Linguistic apartheid is a pretty loaded term, they aren't teaching one's mother tongue, which, to me is like any other subject. You can still learn it elsewhere.

It may be discrimination but apartheid is an exaggeration.

Re: What I learned from the Chinese about our Indian online market

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Here are some counter examples to the cynical uproar, I have specifically chosen examples of entrepreneurship born in India (against ones re-imported from the US and elsewhere)

Successful companies that created products for the local market. All examples are from TamilNadu a southern Indian state. More such examples exist all over India. Such examples are not possible without having consumer interest at heart, Indian companies not respecting consumer interest is a myth in my opinion.

http://www.slideshare.net/SuganPragasam/chick-shampoo-case-s...

http://www.slideshare.net/Rushabh93/cavin-kare-and-chik-sham...

https://yourstory.com/2013/09/entrepreneurship-r-ramaraj-seq...

Re: What I learned from the Chinese about our Indian online market

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As someone who studies culture (as you can tell), my hate is reserved for the neo-colonial entities and the bourgeoisie they cultivate to stay in power. If you call such entities by the names the kakistocracies christen, then yes, I hate most states in the global south. India, like China, however was a historic center (天竺 - heaven axis they called it) unlike most in the global south. To see it brought to the same lev…

So for those countries that weren't historic centers, their optimal fate is to put up with a comprador boot in their face, forever?

Strawman.

Actually I have greater hopes for Africa, considering that nothing on the likes of,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonising_the_Mind

has emerged out of the sub-continent.

Edit: This has an excerpt,

http://swaraj.org/ngugi.htm

Re: What I learned from the Chinese about our Indian online market

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That was a painful read. The thoughts that I have in my mind everyday looking at the infrastructure while I ride my motorbike are just spilled everywhere in this article. The problems are mainly with people electing poor leaders. We cannot become a first world country with a third world leadership such as the one we have now. Our leaders are busy causing communal riots using stupid cows and caste systems , there is n…

Are you seriously citing Arvind Kejriwal as an example of a great leader?

Re: What I learned from the Chinese about our Indian online market

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While you are correct, those states are not small. The number of native speakers for top five major languages as of 2001 are: Hindi (and dialects) 422 mil Bengali 83 mil Telugu 74 mil Marathi 72 mil Tamil 61 mil These are not insignificant populations. If you add in Bengali speakers in Bangladesh, the total hits 189 mil. It's easier to think of India the way you think of EU: an aggregation of peoples and cultures und…

This is of course true. But generally speaking, most of the folks who speak these languages but don't speak Hindi also don't have much money and may not even have internet. In Maharashtra, virtually every middle class person speaks English and Hindi in addition to Marathi. Auto drivers or street vendors will speak only Hindi and Marathi. Of the people I've encountered who don't speak Hindi, most were cooks/maids/simi…

You may get by with Hindi in Maharashtra, but that's not true in southern states and the North-East

Re: What I learned from the Chinese about our Indian online market

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This so easily glosses over the linguistic apartheid in India (other African countries incl.), that it's shocking. See my previous interactions with the WASP imitations; I gather there are enough of them in India to form markets as large as Japan (oth. unicorns like Flipkart wouldn't survive). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12116787 A language without economic value dies eventually. It's likely that the complem…

India a socialist republic? I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Sure, there's tons of subsidies for the poor, but that's necessary in a country as large and poor as India.

Re: language. There's plenty of strong linguistic identity in the south, East and West of India. The north has a weaker cultural identity, but the rest take great pride in their language and culture.

Re: What I learned from the Chinese about our Indian online market

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That was a painful read. The thoughts that I have in my mind everyday looking at the infrastructure while I ride my motorbike are just spilled everywhere in this article. The problems are mainly with people electing poor leaders. We cannot become a first world country with a third world leadership such as the one we have now. Our leaders are busy causing communal riots using stupid cows and caste systems , there is n…

How is Delhi doing good?

Re: What I learned from the Chinese about our Indian online market

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That was a painful read. The thoughts that I have in my mind everyday looking at the infrastructure while I ride my motorbike are just spilled everywhere in this article. The problems are mainly with people electing poor leaders. We cannot become a first world country with a third world leadership such as the one we have now. Our leaders are busy causing communal riots using stupid cows and caste systems , there is n…

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Re: What I learned from the Chinese about our Indian online market

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Excellent analysis. > Access to higher education in India is available only in English ... this creates a general differentiation, an unwritten apartheid. I couldn't agree more. Have always felt this without being able to fully articulate what it was until now. I've always felt having so many languages has hurt India more. I can validate that Chinese people in the west can still think about heading back to China and…

Making changes of this scale takes time, and it takes a unified will to make change. The hardest thing in the world is to say "25 years from now, if we do all these things, this will be greatly improved." It is made hard because people cannot easily see slow change, and they often are unwilling to wait so long for change. Making the change instant is very expensive and also hard to pull off.

Imagine some group that could decide to take about 15,000 hectare of land and decide to build a city[1], from the ground up, with current building standards and codes. They would have to start with a way to power the city. So building infrastructure to bring fuel to power plants and assuming a modern city of 2 million souls, call it 1.5GW of reliable power (so closer to 2GW of capacity so that plants can be off line for maintenance and you still have power). You'll also need to develop a water source, and water treatment facility. You can go the Israeli route and desalinate water for this city (constrains locations) or pump it to it (adds to the power budget). At this point it would be easiest to add a subway system (you can do it by digging trenches and then covering them up, easier than boring tunnels under existing buildings) which means you also have to have some of the basics of what your city is going to look like laid out, residential areas, industrial areas, high tech areas etc. Since you have the benefit of looking at problems in other cities, you focus on making travel within the city as "car free" as possible so that individuals can either walk or take transit. You maximize people space. Now you build an airport, something which can handle both cargo and passenger traffic at the same time. To start bringing in people and materials while the rail system and a connection to the highway system is built.

Anyway, you can follow this along and realize you'll probably need a couple of trillion dollars worth of GDP to go from bare ground to "modern" city, and it will still take years. There are examples you can look at in China of cities built from the ground up. There are probably things you can learn from that. Someone more logistically astute than I am could come up with a "molting" approach where you first cover the area with tents, then as you build things you remove the previous layer and replace it with a more improved layer. You might be able to go through several re-development cycles to get to the final product.

Or you can try to take an existing place and go over it from the ground up and make it into something awesome. That latter path takes a lot longer, decades.

[1] That is a bit more land than is available in San Francisco

Re: What I learned from the Chinese about our Indian online market

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is of course true. But generally speaking, most of the folks who speak these languages but don't speak Hindi also don't have much money and may not even have internet. In Maharashtra, virtually every middle class person speaks English and Hindi in addition to Marathi. Auto drivers or street vendors will speak only Hindi and Marathi. Of the people I've encountered who don't speak Hindi, most were cooks/maids/simi…

You may get by with Hindi in Maharashtra, but that's not true in southern states and the North-East

I get by with English and broken Hinglish in Pune and Mumbai. Those are the cities with internet and money. That wouldn't work so well in smaller cities, but those are also not the places I'd target if I were building a business.

As for the south, in my limited experience the same is true. English works fine in Bangalore if you restrict your conversations to upper middle class people with good internet and money to spend.

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