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Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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So far, this has been fantastic. Our team has been seriously considering converting from Windows to Linux for embedded development. (we run Linux VM when needed) Up and running and cross compiling for ARM without issue. Really surprised how it has just worked so far. This came at a great time for us.

So far it's been very bad for us. The always-on telemetry in Win10 draws a big question mark if we can depend on Windows in future. While Windows 7 is great and around until at least 2020, an expensive move to Linux, FreeBSD or Android seems like the better option.

> always-on telemetry in Win10

When you install Windows 10 there are several pages of checkboxes where you can disable this telemetry. Of course we can never be sure that it is actually disabled.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Sure. There are a couple things. Some of them may be be pretty petty, and some of them are something you can get in Android but aren't that way out of the box. - app organization. One swipe and I'm looking at an alphabetized list of apps I can jump to by letter. This is huge to me, so much easier to find and identify an app versus a 2d grid dominated by icons. - live tiles. My email tile shows me unread emails, photo…

One drive doesn't sync files the way dropbox or gdrive do and it's super annoying. Cortana is no better than Siri or Now in that it basically just sets a timer or dials a contact and everything else in my experience is chock full of irrelevant links and spamming listings. The one thing I actually appreciate with Windows 10 in particular is that the Weather Live tile is good and doesn't have Accuweather or the Weather…

The HTC Sense weather app manages to do that, despite using Accuweather as the data source. There's just a little "Accuweather - more details online" bar at the bottom of the screen, but I've never felt the need to actually follow it.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Sure. There are a couple things. Some of them may be be pretty petty, and some of them are something you can get in Android but aren't that way out of the box. - app organization. One swipe and I'm looking at an alphabetized list of apps I can jump to by letter. This is huge to me, so much easier to find and identify an app versus a 2d grid dominated by icons. - live tiles. My email tile shows me unread emails, photo…

One drive doesn't sync files the way dropbox or gdrive do and it's super annoying. Cortana is no better than Siri or Now in that it basically just sets a timer or dials a contact and everything else in my experience is chock full of irrelevant links and spamming listings. The one thing I actually appreciate with Windows 10 in particular is that the Weather Live tile is good and doesn't have Accuweather or the Weather…

What do you mean it doesn't sync the files the way they do? Can you explain?

If I take a picture on my phone, it syncs to my laptop and desktop. If I put something on my computer in my OneDrive folder photo folder, it shows up in the photos on my phone.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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post #120

So far, this has been fantastic. Our team has been seriously considering converting from Windows to Linux for embedded development. (we run Linux VM when needed) Up and running and cross compiling for ARM without issue. Really surprised how it has just worked so far. This came at a great time for us.

So far it's been very bad for us. The always-on telemetry in Win10 draws a big question mark if we can depend on Windows in future. While Windows 7 is great and around until at least 2020, an expensive move to Linux, FreeBSD or Android seems like the better option.

If you are trying to escape telemetry Linux or FreeBSD make sense, but not Android. Between the Android OS and the apps, Android collects much more data on you than Windows 10.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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- solved by any launcher - solved by any launcher - cannot comment - gmaps handles this automatically - cannot comment - baked into android since L - gdrive Nearly usability and UI struggles are easily solved with a custom launcher.

- solved by any launcher - solved by any launcher Then you have never used Windows Phone. None of the Android launchers provides the equivalent of WP tiles with the same amount of integration. There is no API that launchers could use to pull out the same amount/types of information. - gmaps handles this automatically Nonsense. It does some prefetching, but if you are in another country (no data) and you go slightly o…

Interestingly enough, Microsoft actually has an Android Launcher called Arrow. It's not an attempt of bringing the WP experience to Android though.

That said, it's a great launcher and I use it on my Note 4. I still don't fully understand the strategy behind why Microsoft released it though.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft....

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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post #65

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The OS/2 2.0 fiasco is a lot more complex than this.

Yes, but being able to run Windows 3.1 apps on it, with Windows 3.1 look and feel, at a higher price than OS/2 (or Windows) alone sure didn't help it.

You know that MS did the old OS/2 2.0 SDK betas from 1990, right?

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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post #65

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> Had they shipped Astoria in Windows 10 to allow Android apps to "just work" it would have destroyed their UWP strategy. Kind of like how OS/2 support of Windows applications helped destroy it?

The OS/2 2.0 fiasco is a lot more complex than this.

as far as i remember: the PC of the day was just too slow for OS/2 warp, and it didn't support the varied hardware of the day; am i wrong?

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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post #21

Microsoft has actually been doing Unix related stuff from way back - a fact that might not be known to some. Xenix, then SFU (Services For Unix - for interop - on Win NT or 2K), plus they had (part of?) a POSIX subsystem around then or earlier- I used it a bit for C utility dev work on WinNT), etc.

Xenix-UNIX was way under powered on 16 bit x86s. By the time 32 bit CPUs came along, there were better ports of UNIX like Linux and BSD.

True, I used it. SCO Unix was a little better in speed, IIRC. But the hardware I used it on may been better by then, too.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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> MacOS with the associated hardware lock-in Macs will run both Windows and (with some EFI hacking) Linux. It's true that you need a Mac to (legally) run macOS, but that's lock-out, not lock-in. Essentially it is a $1000 license to the OS and perpetual updates.

I meant that if I my standard workflows and software are on MacOS, then I'm locked in to a single hardware provider and their offering. For some cases this is a limitation. Their laptops are quite nice and the imacs are okay, but if I want to have, say, a powerful desktop workstation with a bunch of nvidia GPUs for CUDA then MacPro doesn't really cut it, and I'll have to run Linux on it; and if I need a extra seconda…

https://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OS/2 2.0 fiasco is a lot more complex than this.

as far as i remember: the PC of the day was just too slow for OS/2 warp, and it didn't support the varied hardware of the day; am i wrong?

Yes, there is much more history to this fiasco than just this.
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