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Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by pritambarhate »

na85 wrote: post #111
satysin wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe it would drive adoption at all. Microsoft know Windows Phone today is dead. However they still have the desktop and with UWP they hope to bridge the development gap between mobile/tablet/desktop/laptop. Had they shipped Astoria in Windows 10 to allow Android apps to "just work" it would have destroyed their UWP strategy. So they might get a few more Windows Phone users but they would have lost control…

Isn't WP already dead? I've never met a single person using one.

I tried using it for a year. Though the UI was polished, lack of apps was a big problem. For example, What's App Chrome WebApp support wasn't released for WP when the feature was launched. Even Audible and Kindle apps (considering these are from a major company like Amazon) on WP felt inferior to their Android counterparts. So just ended up buying an Android device around a year ago.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by rbanffy »

pritambarhate wrote: post #131
na85 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't WP already dead? I've never met a single person using one.

I tried using it for a year. Though the UI was polished, lack of apps was a big problem. For example, What's App Chrome WebApp support wasn't released for WP when the feature was launched. Even Audible and Kindle apps (considering these are from a major company like Amazon) on WP felt inferior to their Android counterparts. So just ended up buying an Android device around a year ago.

That's the saddest thing with my Palm Pre. It's a very refined UX without any current app support.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by rbanffy »

yuhong wrote: post #65
criddell wrote: post #54

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> Had they shipped Astoria in Windows 10 to allow Android apps to "just work" it would have destroyed their UWP strategy. Kind of like how OS/2 support of Windows applications helped destroy it?

The OS/2 2.0 fiasco is a lot more complex than this.

Yes, but being able to run Windows 3.1 apps on it, with Windows 3.1 look and feel, at a higher price than OS/2 (or Windows) alone sure didn't help it.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by mamon »

witty_username wrote: post #114
rodgerd wrote: post #102

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> Does it, though? Unless you live in a very special bubble, yes.

My desktop, my brother's laptop, and a printer work well with Linux, perhaps because they aren't high-end. On the other hand my mother's friend had a mysterious driver problem (screen glitching) with his NVidia card after upgrading to Windows 10.

>> perhaps because they aren't high-end

Or because they are not new. I had a bad experience after i bought, in January 2016, Intel NUC with Skylake processor and Iris 530 graphics card.

I had few months of struggle, like:

- problem with installation (installer won't boot without some cryptic kernel parameters passed),

- lack of graphics driver

- random crashes (like Google Maps causing the whole system to hang, requiring hard reset)

- processor not running at full speed

- system seeing only one logical core instead of 4 (2 cores x HT)

- "shutdown" system button causing reboot instead of power off

Most of those were fixed only after Ubuntu 16.04 came out, at the end of April. Some issues however, persist.

So, my impression is that Linux is good choice only if your hardware is quite old (like, say, two years, or at least one processor / graphic card generation behind)

For people like me, who want latest and greatest hardware Linux is not an option.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by JdeBP »

frik wrote: post #120
jimsparkman wrote: post #58

So far, this has been fantastic. Our team has been seriously considering converting from Windows to Linux for embedded development. (we run Linux VM when needed) Up and running and cross compiling for ARM without issue. Really surprised how it has just worked so far. This came at a great time for us.

So far it's been very bad for us. The always-on telemetry in Win10 draws a big question mark if we can depend on Windows in future. While Windows 7 is great and around until at least 2020, an expensive move to Linux, FreeBSD or Android seems like the better option.

Just a suggestion: Consider PC-BSD alongside FreeBSD in your evaluations.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by PeterisP »

Gaelan wrote: post #115
PeterisP wrote: post #87

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I absolutely need full Excel&Word compatibility for collaborating on documents with others so Linux is not an option. Neither LibreOffice or MS Office Online provide appropriate compatibility, editing a complex document made by someone else and sending back to them will not preserve its formatting. This means either MacOS with the associated hardware lock-in or Windows with all the associated problems in installing/c…

> MacOS with the associated hardware lock-in Macs will run both Windows and (with some EFI hacking) Linux. It's true that you need a Mac to (legally) run macOS, but that's lock-out, not lock-in. Essentially it is a $1000 license to the OS and perpetual updates.

I meant that if I my standard workflows and software are on MacOS, then I'm locked in to a single hardware provider and their offering.

For some cases this is a limitation. Their laptops are quite nice and the imacs are okay, but if I want to have, say, a powerful desktop workstation with a bunch of nvidia GPUs for CUDA then MacPro doesn't really cut it, and I'll have to run Linux on it; and if I need a extra secondary/tertiary computer/laptop that doesn't really need to be good, then I have to choose between it running a different UI than the main computers or paying a rather hefty premium because of the lockin.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by espenwa »

na85 wrote: post #111
satysin wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe it would drive adoption at all. Microsoft know Windows Phone today is dead. However they still have the desktop and with UWP they hope to bridge the development gap between mobile/tablet/desktop/laptop. Had they shipped Astoria in Windows 10 to allow Android apps to "just work" it would have destroyed their UWP strategy. So they might get a few more Windows Phone users but they would have lost control…

Isn't WP already dead? I've never met a single person using one.

I've had 920, 930 and I'm now using a 950 as my main phone: The hardware is superb, and I really like the OS (running Insider Preview Slow Ring). There has been a steady stream of Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview updates throughout the last year, bringing both new features and stability. In user interaction and interface consistency it is now much closer to iOS (or what iOS tries to be) than Android is.

That being said, it is pretty obvious it is a minuscule platform; apps are often lagging behind their iOS/Android counterparts, and there are some obvious ones missing (like Snapchat and Pokemon Go).

It is kind of sad really; I think it would be healthy with more than two major players, and Windows 10 users will probably feel quite at home in Windows 10 Mobile.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by JdeBP »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

I am kinda hesitant to download and open a PDF file coming out of Black Hat 2016. EDIT: See child comment, GitHub preview is fantastic! Slides have a ton of great info.

It's not "coming out of Black Hat". It's coming from Alex Ionescu, via his GitHub account. You have an identifiable person with a known reputation here, not some unidentifiable person hiding behind a pseudonym.

The problems that you have are quite different ones:

* Demonstrating that the Alex Ionescu of http://www.alex-ionescu.com/ and of https://microsoftpressstore.com/authors/bio.aspx?a=07cda0ad-... is the Alex Ionescu of https://twitter.com/aionescu/status/710477975288827904 and of https://github.com/ionescu007 . It's difficult to show a connection in that direction. The Alex Ionescu of https://alexionescu.net/#contact lets people connect the dots — a different set of dots, mind you.

* Knowing that https://github.com/ is the real GitHub. If this is a problem for you, then you have more serious and urgent problems than viewing a PDF document. (-:

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by Amezarak »

corndoge wrote: post #104
Amezarak wrote: post #82

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Sure. There are a couple things. Some of them may be be pretty petty, and some of them are something you can get in Android but aren't that way out of the box. - app organization. One swipe and I'm looking at an alphabetized list of apps I can jump to by letter. This is huge to me, so much easier to find and identify an app versus a 2d grid dominated by icons. - live tiles. My email tile shows me unread emails, photo…

- solved by any launcher - solved by any launcher - cannot comment - gmaps handles this automatically - cannot comment - baked into android since L - gdrive Nearly usability and UI struggles are easily solved with a custom launcher.

Which I didn't deny, prefacing my comment by saying that some of the items I was about to list could be done in Android, but aren't that way out of the box.

Customizability is great, and I think a phone OS should be highly customizable. But I also want it delivered to me in a state where I have to do as little customization as possible. I don't want to fool with it more than I have to.

Can you comment further on google maps doing that automatically? I have not seen it to be the case that I can turn off data, input a destination, and get turn-by-turn directions the whole way.

I am fully aware of Google Drive, but the reason I started using OneDrive is because it is already installed on all my Windows computers; all I had to do was sign in. The same is not true of Google Drive. I take a picture with my WP and by the time I walk over to the computer it's already there, and I didn't have to do anything to set it up.

Also, regarding permissions, no, it was "added" early on, but you couldn't use it without downloading other apps and then without rooting your phone. I think it's supposed to be in Marshmellow for-real-this-time, but I haven't seen it yet.

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