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Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by azinman2 »

wangchow wrote: post #32
Amezarak wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is really unfortunate. I can't blame Microsoft for it, but the app-gap between WP/WinMo 10 and Android is getting untenable for me. I'm thinking about switching back, not because I think Android is better (I don't think it is at all), but simply because I'm starting to feel left out when all my family and friends are using, e.g., SnapChat to keep in touch and I...can't. It particularly riles me up that there we…

Honestly I use the app-gap as a feature. Not having the fluff is great because snapchat is making people illiterate. We went from real words to abbreviations to no words and minimal attention span. On the other hand now that Uber and bank of america have a universal app it feels more complete.

Are you really trying to defend less choice?

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by criddell »

azinman2 wrote: post #91
wangchow wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I use the app-gap as a feature. Not having the fluff is great because snapchat is making people illiterate. We went from real words to abbreviations to no words and minimal attention span. On the other hand now that Uber and bank of america have a universal app it feels more complete.

Are you really trying to defend less choice?

When life gives you lemons, make lemonade!

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

#93

Post by Sanddancer »

fapjacks wrote: post #63

Honest question: What's the deal with this stuff? I'm not interested in the reasoning that it's done just because they can do it. I mean... Why not just ... use Linux ? I suspect it's a comfort zone thing, and most people really don't want to move out of their comfort zone (and especially programmers have a hard time admitting this). I understand people developing for the platform, but I don't understand people devel…

Sometimes you're targetting Linux, but your main target is Windows. Other times, you're just more comfortable primarily using software that's available on Windows, and just need a few tools from Linux every once in a while. MS has always given collections of very powerful developer tools, and this seems something to add to that collection.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by dingo_bat »

Amezarak wrote: post #29
satysin wrote: post #27

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Indeed, and the rumours are that Project Astoria worked too well which scared Microsoft. If Android apps "just worked" on Windows then why would developers bother using their new Universal Windows Platform.

Which is really unfortunate. I can't blame Microsoft for it, but the app-gap between WP/WinMo 10 and Android is getting untenable for me. I'm thinking about switching back, not because I think Android is better (I don't think it is at all), but simply because I'm starting to feel left out when all my family and friends are using, e.g., SnapChat to keep in touch and I...can't. It particularly riles me up that there we…

Snap chat on android is also horrible.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by georgehotelling »

satysin wrote: post #27
vvanders wrote: post #7

Fun tidbit is it seems the original reason behind this was Android support in WinPhone10 but when that was axed they migrated it to Ubuntu on desktop. If true that's a pretty nifty pivot.

Indeed, and the rumours are that Project Astoria worked too well which scared Microsoft. If Android apps "just worked" on Windows then why would developers bother using their new Universal Windows Platform.

Isn't that basically happened to IBM when they emulated Windows in OS/2? Devs didn't bother to build anything for OS/2.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by fapjacks »

willtim wrote: post #68
fapjacks wrote: post #63

Honest question: What's the deal with this stuff? I'm not interested in the reasoning that it's done just because they can do it. I mean... Why not just ... use Linux ? I suspect it's a comfort zone thing, and most people really don't want to move out of their comfort zone (and especially programmers have a hard time admitting this). I understand people developing for the platform, but I don't understand people devel…

Unfortunately Windows has much better hardware support (e.g. Skylake laptops, multi monitors via displayport MST).

Does it, though? I use four monitors with Linux Mint at work while my laptop is docked. The 'Optimus' dual-GPU thing works out of the box. But I have a Windows 10 gaming rig at home for Star Citizen, and when I installed Windows, it didn't recognize the onboard NIC or the AMD 9790 GPU with default drivers. And as it just so happens, late last night, this same Windows 10 box mysteriously lost network functionality, and I had to reinstall network protocol drivers (!). I hear "hardware support" a lot, but I haven't had problems with hardware support on Linux for a few years at least, and every time I try to use Windows, I have hardware problems. The Windows users on our dev team seem to have problems regularly. You're right that it used to be a thing. But I just don't buy it anymore.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by kragen »

whyenot wrote: post #60
kragen wrote: post #38

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Hmm, there are a variety of inaccuracies in your short statement. Please carefully read the below so that you can be protected from propagating these errors in the future. · SCO Unix, although it incorporated some Xenix code, was very different from Xenix; it derived a lot from SVR4. · SCO basically went out of business, because their value proposition was "Unix, but on a regular PC so you don't have to buy an expens…

I appreciate your critique, but stand by my original statement. Let me address the items you bring up point by point. Please excuse my brevity. 1. Xenix was based on Bell Labs V7 and then AT&T SVR2, SCO Unix was based on SVR4. Xenix and SCO Unix shared code in addition to that derived from their common ancestry. Claiming that they were "very different" is obviously a matter of opinion. In my opinion, they were pretty…

Thank you for your point of view!

I'd forgotten about the BayStar thing, but its existence seems to be debatable; someone at BayStar said they got a promise from someone at Microsoft to guarantee their SCO investment, but didn't actually fulfill the terms of the guarantee, and Microsoft denies any such guarantee ever existed. So it ends up being a he-said-he-said thing.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by kragen »

rogerbinns wrote: post #89
whyenot wrote: post #60

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I appreciate your critique, but stand by my original statement. Let me address the items you bring up point by point. Please excuse my brevity. 1. Xenix was based on Bell Labs V7 and then AT&T SVR2, SCO Unix was based on SVR4. Xenix and SCO Unix shared code in addition to that derived from their common ancestry. Claiming that they were "very different" is obviously a matter of opinion. In my opinion, they were pretty…

Regarding #1 that is mashing together two separate products into 1. (I worked for SCO.) The history is that Microsoft were producing Xenix - a port from AT&T. Eventually they decided to stop doing that work themselves as DOS, OS/2, Lan Manager and similar were of interest. (Note though that they ran their email infrastructure on Xenix - it was part of their operational business.) Xenix was handed over to a father and…

Thank you for clarifying!

Were you around when stuff moved over to Caldera? Were there SCO people who moved to Utah, or who became Caldera employees in California?

My condolences on having had such a shitty thing happen to such a beautiful company. I don't ever remember SCO Unix being a particularly great Unix, but it was pretty solid, and the company was awesome; it's a place I would have been proud to work if I'd had a chance.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

#100

Post by eddieh »

fapjacks wrote: post #63

Honest question: What's the deal with this stuff? I'm not interested in the reasoning that it's done just because they can do it. I mean... Why not just ... use Linux ? I suspect it's a comfort zone thing, and most people really don't want to move out of their comfort zone (and especially programmers have a hard time admitting this). I understand people developing for the platform, but I don't understand people devel…

> people talk about Visual Studio being a great IDE

I think this is just something people regurgitate often and believe without evidence. I've used the IDE and it is terrible – probably one of the worst. Last I checked it couldn't open multiple windows for certain file types. Its interface looks like a web IDE. It hangs while it scans your project to provide IntelliSense, which IntellieSense itself is crazy annoying. Who wants stuff popping up while you type or stuff to get underlined while you haven't yet finished. I actually have a big list of annoyances somewhere around.

I really can't agree more – just use Linux, or some variant of UNIX, or use macOS if you don't want to fuss with buggy/missing drivers and piecing together your own computer from parts like it is some kind of difficult feat or accomplishment worthy of nerd respect.

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