Hello from Orkut • Hacker News Board

Re: Hello from Orkut

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Post by sotojuan » Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 12:35 AM UTC

freehunter wrote: post #257

sotojuan wrote: post #242

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> web pages can't send push notifications https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API > web pages can't run in the background Ok not the same at all, but you can use web workers for background threads: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Workers... And the above have also been used to produce offline-first applications. Unfortunately Apple has been bad at supporting these new APIs—ironi…

I think you're missing my point. It doesn't matter if Firefox supports it, Safari on my iPhone does not. Native apps do support all of these annoying features. Let me give you an example. The official reddit app on my phone asks me maybe two or three times per week "Please enable push notifications". No. I don't want to do that. And I can't seem to get it to stop asking me. But on the website, in my browser, it's nev…

I definitely agree with you and did not mean to sound rude—I'm just sad it can be done but Apple and others won't play nice :/

Though to be honest I do prefer apps for most things, but I want the web to at least give apps a challenge.

Re: Hello from Orkut

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Post by xenophonf » Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 12:46 AM UTC

opello wrote: post #241

xenophonf wrote: post #179

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I can't connect to bdownload.fosshub.com, which hosts the Android-x86 images. Are those download links working for you?

They also mirror releases to Sourceforge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/android-x86/files/

Thank you, both!

Re: Hello from Orkut

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Post by abalone » Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 12:50 AM UTC

Except there's already a social network called Hello that was launched a year before them: http://www.myhello.co

hello.com must have been really expensive! Did they check for trademark conflicts beforehand?

Re: Hello from Orkut

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Post by rblatz » Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 4:42 AM UTC

benhardy wrote: post #289

overcast wrote: post #128

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I've had this sentiment for a couple years now. I'm so sick of having to download an app for everything. I want a slick web version that isn't half-assed, and is responsive to all devices. This is my number one priority building any new application.

I really hate having to enter a password to download a free app on the apple app store.

You can disable that.

Re: Hello from Orkut

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 6:00 AM UTC

curried_haskell wrote: post #60

icebraining wrote: post #16

Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I see a large dissonance between this message and the 'hello' presentation. He laments that "we stay with locals when we travel abroad but we don't even know our neighbours at home", yet the new social network seems to push more in that direction (it talks about connecting people based on their interests, not their proximity). He says "we are afraid of what we don't know [...] we are…

Because guess what, the letter is just a promotion for this new social network that they hope to sell everybody on. It doesn't matter if he really cares about any of those things, only that we think that he cares about those things and then go use his social network and divulge our private lives to yet another foreign entity.

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Re: Hello from Orkut

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi » Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 8:38 AM UTC

tacomonstrous wrote: post #300

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #145

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I live in a first-world country, I do have an Android phone, but I'm always out of internal storage and need to delete apps. Most people in my friends/family circle are in the same situation. So even if we have Android, services based exclusively on mobile apps have an accessibility problem for us. I suppose this problem will be larger in places like Burma, where smartphones will be cheaper and older on average.

Most devices in the developing world have micro SD slots.

Mine also has one, but the apps just don't want to go there. In fact, some apps like spotify insist on storing even their data in the internal storage. So I have a full internal storage and an almost empty big SD card. I know these things can be solvable via rooting, but most people doesn't root.

Re: Hello from Orkut

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Post by pritambarhate » Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 11:49 AM UTC

zodPod wrote: post #212

overcast wrote: post #128

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I've had this sentiment for a couple years now. I'm so sick of having to download an app for everything. I want a slick web version that isn't half-assed, and is responsive to all devices. This is my number one priority building any new application.

Yes! Absolutely! The worst thing is when you're on a site and you're browsing it and something pops up saying something along the lines of "Click here to get our app!" or it overlays the screen and tells you to use the app. NO I don't WANT your app. I'm on your WEBSITE. If you made THAT usable and didn't try to interfere with the stupid app, I'd be set!

I am same as you. Downloading an app for something which can be done in a browser annoys me a lot. Being in programming, many of my friends show similar behaviour.

But I think for non technical people, apps are main way to use mobile devices. For example, I got married recently. My wife is a doctor. She uses iPad for personal computing. She tries to find the app for everything she wants to do on her iPad. In fact she uses Google app on her iPad a lot. Want to search something, start the Google app. I was surprised to see this. I tried to tell her that she can search straight from her Chrome browser. But I think it's matter of habit for her now and still prefers to use the Google App for search.

Re: Hello from Orkut

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Post by toyg » Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 2:06 PM UTC

palakchokshi wrote: post #250

toyg wrote: post #117

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> Import the information from FB, G+ I expect that would be against TOS and would result in an immediate ban.

Not if as part of sign in the app asks permission to get that information. That is how all oAuth logins from FB to Google to LinkedIn to Github work. You ask for permission to get exactly what you want and once granted the app can get that information without violating any TOS or getting banned

It's not the gathering per se, it's what you do with it.

When I checked their platform policies (admittedly several years ago), they explicitly forbid other social networks from using FB-provided logins and data. This seems to have changed, and at the moment I can't find anything of the sort in their current platform policies; but there is a "no reimplementation" clause that is so broad, it could easily be used to ban apps that reimplement anything FB already offers (friending, image sharing etc etc).

Re: Hello from Orkut

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Post by redwood » Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 3:30 PM UTC

alonmower wrote: post #268

redwood wrote: post #75

Wasn't Orkut dominant in Brazil? I suppose they killed it to pump Google+? Anyway it makes you wonder if Google Cloud will really survive. Can the world's #2 public tech company by market cap really afford to be a distant third (fourth?) in a market?

I think it (Google Cloud) can. I suspect there's a pretty big difference between being a dominant social network vs being a dominant cloud platform. People evaluating cloud platforms are going to be looking at cost + functionality in a much more pragmatic way compared to people just joining whatever network happens to have the highest number of their friends already registered. While there are still certainly network…

One of my worries is that there seems to be the "Google way of doing things" which the rest of the world can't easily adjust to, the way Google insider policies can dictate. If they're too much of a special snowflake it'll slow adoption. Hope you're right though.

Re: Hello from Orkut

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Post by redwood » Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 3:30 PM UTC

alonmower wrote: post #268

redwood wrote: post #75

Wasn't Orkut dominant in Brazil? I suppose they killed it to pump Google+? Anyway it makes you wonder if Google Cloud will really survive. Can the world's #2 public tech company by market cap really afford to be a distant third (fourth?) in a market?

I think it (Google Cloud) can. I suspect there's a pretty big difference between being a dominant social network vs being a dominant cloud platform. People evaluating cloud platforms are going to be looking at cost + functionality in a much more pragmatic way compared to people just joining whatever network happens to have the highest number of their friends already registered. While there are still certainly network…

One of my worries is that there seems to be the "Google way of doing things" which the rest of the world can't easily adjust to, the way Google insider policies can dictate. If they're too much of a special snowflake it'll slow adoption. Hope you're right though.