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Re: Ask HN: Do employers care how long it took you to finish a degree?

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Hiring manager perspective: Nope. Glad you finished. If you're a new grad without much experience outside of internships (meaning you didn't work in the relevant field while obtaining your degree), I will care more about your GPA. As a general matter, I often don't even look at or ask about GPA because it matters very little to me, but if you took 6 years to get a bachelors I'd prefer to see good grades. After all, when everyone else crammed 15-18 credits per semester, it's fair to expect that the person doing 8-12 per semester for a longer period of time should have better grades. Of course, if there are external factors beyond wanting/needing more time to do the coursework, that's taken into consideration as well.

Be prepared to talk about why it took you longer. It's not a bad thing to be asked, in the same way that other hiring managers asking about my law degree/legal experience isn't bad either, it's just out of the norm for someone working in fintech. Be honest - you can say there were family reasons or whatever without getting into the details. If your interviewer is anything resembling a human, they'll understand. If they don't, you're avoiding a shitty work-life balance situation and/or a shitty boss.

If you don't have other experience, though, or don't need/want to illustrate that your degree happened while you were doing other relevant, career-path work, you could just put the graduation date on your resume.

Re: Ask HN: Do employers care how long it took you to finish a degree?

#52
I've never even asked in an interview and if they have more than 4 years on their resume I just assume they had a rough semester, or some other external factor.

My wife took 8 years to finish her MS because she did it part time. Does that mean she doesn't know her stuff? That's very far from the truth.

Re: Ask HN: Do employers care how long it took you to finish a degree?

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Generally, no, employers don't care. When you list your degree just list the graduation date. Regardless of your work history, you should list internships and projects you accomplished while in school on your resume when you are starting out anyway (unless you were already employed in the field). And if anyone asks specifically, tell them, yea I took a little extra time to finish my degree. Never lie and don't deny i…

They really shouldn't be asking specifically. IANAL and I don't think most age discrimination protections kick in until you're 40, but that kind of question - or asking if you were a "non-traditional" student - seems like a roundabout way of asking someone's age, and is therefore quite unprofessional.

It depends. If someone discloses to me on their resume that it took 8 years to get a bachelors, meaning they put 2000-2008 next to that line item, it's fair for me to ask about it. Besides, professional or not, you want them to ask it if they're inclined to ask it. Not because it's information for them, but because it's information for you. A candidate interviews the company as much as the company interviews them, and from my perspective as a candidate I want to know if these things matter to them and why. For instance, there are qualities I appreciate about non-traditional students - people who started college late, worked full time through, etc. I'm not trying to figure out if you're 45 or not. I'm looking for positive qualities, not trying to shake out the negative. I can distill the negatives when we talk about experience, and those have nothing to do with age or anything else.

Beyond that, when I'm interviewing someone, I know I can't or shouldn't ask certain things, and I don't want to make people uncomfortable or break any laws. So I will often casually mention that I'm married or have a kid if the opportunity arises while we make small talk. I never tie it to a follow up question either, because that's too close to the line for me. But I'm not trying to figure out your situation there either. I'm just putting it out there that I have a life outside of here, that I'm probably going to sneak out (very) early every so often, work from home sometimes to get some other non-work stuff done too, etc. and that I won't hold it against you for being a normal person either.

Re: Ask HN: Do employers care how long it took you to finish a degree?

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I'd like to piggyback on this question with my own, which is relevant. tl;dr: do employers care at what age you finish your degree? Long story: I'm a 35 year old software engineer with 6 years of experience (mostly java/scala), currently an EU citizen residing in UK (London). I've studied CS when I was 18 at the universtiy, but dropped out (various reasons). Now since Brexit news I no longer feel I want to continue l…

I was a 34 year old software developer when I started my first semester at a US community college. I transferred to a top US engineering school a year later. I finished two BS degrees (Computer Science and Electrical Engineering) at 38 and started working on an Electrical and Computer Engineering MS.

It is my impression that employers don't care. They care much more about what you've learned, the projects you've worked on, and how passionate you are about the field.

Re: Ask HN: Do employers care how long it took you to finish a degree?

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dropped out of school in 2001 because my parents got divorced and I no longer had a stable home to live in and I also broke my leg and had huge medical bills, so I needed to make money and get an apartment instead. I would call that "going through a lot of stuff." It's not good enough though? Why not?

So the way you would want to explain that to a potential employer is "I had to take a break from school due to financial problems." The actual phrase "I was going through some stuff." is not good enough. It's an unprofessional answer. You need to be able to explain what "stuff" is in a professional way that makes sense and isn't overly dramatic. Otherwise the concern is you're going to "go through some stuff" as an e…

Yes, exactly right. Good answer :)

I mean, I would probably naturally start with "There was a lot going on," and then explain. You know, being that I am human and all, so I have emotions.

Hopefully in an interview you would actually be able to have a conversation, rather than it just being a series of questions where they write down the answer and move on. I suppose you would need to gauge the style of the interview. If it really is going to be that formal, yes, you would need to have precise response like that.

It's hard to imagine an interviewer who wouldn't automatically ask the follow up question when someone gives a vague answer.

Sometimes responding to comments it seems like I am arguing a counter-point, but really I am just continuing the same line of thought from a different view.

Re: Ask HN: Do employers care how long it took you to finish a degree?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no reasonable engineer that is asked to interview you will look at your github, or care if you have one. yeah gonna have to disagree on this. I'm an engineer and work for a BigCo Enterprisey company and while it's not necessary, if you have a GH account, it makes my job easier when I interview you. Of course if you write terrible code, then the GH account probably is not the best thing to have. But other than that,…

> But other than that, I can't see a reason why not to have one. you are assuming that * they want to write code outside of working hours * they will put the same level of attention into the code they write outside of work as they do the code they write at work * they want the code they write outside of work to be open source failing to do any or all of these things, or doing any or all of these things, should not af…

Well said "chillaxtian"!

Re: Ask HN: Do employers care how long it took you to finish a degree?

#57
As someone who's done a lot of hiring both at a large investment bank as well as a small startup (grew from 5->80), it wouldn't even occur to me to ask about duration spent in college.

I don't know anything about interviewing at large tech companies, but from my perspective, the best thing anyone can do to prepare for an interview is to be able to talk, in detail, about work you did that you are really proud of.

Re: Ask HN: Do employers care how long it took you to finish a degree?

#58
I don't even list the year, just school and degree. Nobody has asked ever, aside from alumni who asked about a professor or did I know a certain person.

When i was right out of school I added some stuff about the program and noteworthy projects but that came off after I landed my first job.

Re: Ask HN: Do employers care how long it took you to finish a degree?

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Depends where you try to work. Most employers are only going to care about how sell yourself as a potential asset to their company. In the end, the only thing that matters is your ability to perform your job. PS. I have a *friend who took 6 years to graduate with a BA in CS and now works for an awesome startup, that also employees some great programmers who never went to college. PPS. If you're in CS create a GitHub…

> PPS. If you're in CS create a GitHub account to act as your portfolio. this is totally unnecessary. no reasonable engineer that is asked to interview you will look at your github, or care if you have one.

I vastly prefer to see portfolio work, and when I assist in screening resumes, I always look at the people with portfolios first: they provide the most signal. How does your code look? How do you interact with others?

When I'm doing deeper interviews, I check the portfolio as well: what is the specialty and interest of the person? What are they up to? Do I want to work with this person?

At the end of the day, we're both human beings, and we have to get along at work. I don't want to be in a bad relationship. So I look at, and prefer resumes that give me the most information to this end.

Other people do it differently.

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