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Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by pcf »

kagamine wrote: post #131
provoc wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your excuse for this theft of service is that you simply don't want to pay? It's lucky for you that prosecuting torrent users is so rare, as I really can't see that one holding up in court. If you can't afford it, don't steal it. It's as simple as that.

> theft of service is that you simply don't want to pay Prices in Norwegian kroner (NOK) Apple Music 99 / 149 Spotify Prem. 99 iTunes Movies 49 to rent 24 hours 159 to buy (~same as DVD in supermarket) Netflix 79 99 129 HD? x y y Nr screens 1 2 4 I don't know how much these services think I can spend on entertainment every month, they are all priced as though they are the only service in the market and like I have no…

The only way digitally, you mean? Because you can still buy physical DVD's and Blu-Ray's, right?

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by mikegerwitz »

Svenskunganka wrote: post #65

Torrents and copyright infringement is related, we can all agree on that. But I believe that pirating is related to a very fuzzy legal system regarding this topic and unfair treatment by the major movie studios & music labels. I'll try to explain as good as I can. Being a european citizen, it is very frustrating knowing that pirating is illegal even though being a Netflix, HBO & Spotify customer. Pirating is a much b…

The term "piracy" doesn't help the problems any---it's a smear term that tries to put downloading and sharing on the same level as murder and kidnapping.

https://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-banned-from-using-piracy-and-t....

I prefer the term "sharing".

As you mention, intent is not always to avoid paying. Some people may want backups, may have lost their copy after paying for it, may be frustrated by DRM-laced copies that don't work on their PC/devices, the reasons you mentioned, etc...

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by lma21 »

lagadu wrote: post #157
spoiler wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Netflix's point of view it does even out, but the EU citizen still pays more for less.

No because what we pay in tax we get back in other forms. The US citizen will have to pay for college (instead of being paid to attend), healthcare, court costs, retirement pension, unemployment, etc. Don't count the taxes as part of what you're getting back, it's very different and beyond the scope of this article :)

In which EU country you get paid to go to college?

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by Fiahil »

Freak_NL wrote: post #127
Fiahil wrote: post #89

With the recent shut down of KAT, we're kind of in a "low phase". It always has been a game of cat and mouse, but now, we've sadly lost two big mouses. I hope someone will quickly take up the torch.

> mouses Mice. :)

Indeed. Too late for edits, but thanks ^^

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by provoc »

HugoDaniel wrote: post #30
provoc wrote: post #22

Good. Maybe this will deter people from stealing music, films and software. It's a disgrace that so many work so hard on their craft, only to have the fruits of their efforts ripped off by the immoral. I hope the authorities shut all these torrent search engines down, and prosecute the owners to the full extent of the law.

Are you aware that the authors are the least privileged in current copyright laws ? Where I live the state even invented a special tax on digital supports (USB, Hard Drives, etc...) to "favor the authors" because of "piracy". Never met a single author that benefited from that. And trust me I know a lot of them. Copyright laws were made, and exist, to privilege the industry (which does include authors, at the bottom,…

I don't see how this invalidates my comment. If rampant torrenting were to cause such industries to collapse, this would adversely affect everyone involved, and everyone consuming their products.

When you steal from the publishers, you are stealing from all within the organisation, whether they be authors, producers, printers, animators, developers, or the many other roles in the content-producing industries.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by mrweasel »

tormeh wrote: post #121
kalleboo wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand why the EU isn't doing anything about it The problem is that right now the EU isn't one copyright market - each EU country is a separate market, with a tonne of legacy exclusive distribution deals in place. If the EU was a single market, it would be the same size or bigger than the US market and would probably get better attention. The EU is working on it, it just moves at the speed of bureaucrac…

>The EU is working on it, it just moves at the speed of bureaucracy I would guess the speed is more limited by 27 governments having to agree on everything.

While I think that's part of it, I also don't think that the movie and record studios are really pushing for a reform either.

The largest studios could, in theory, go to the EU with a proposal for how they would like a single market for movies and music to work. They won't because they like the ability to have differentiated prices. Having to sell a movie in Sweden for the same price as in Slovenia translates directly to lost profit. Selling in Slovenia at Swedish prices results in lower sales figures and more piracy. So I doubt the big players are all that interested in help the EU on this one.

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Post by szatkus »

naviehuynh wrote: post #51
dineshp2 wrote: post #28

The reason piracy is so popular is because it is free and because it's incredibly convenient, in that order. The convenience factor is basically, if you want some content (movie, game) it's a simple search and download away (streaming torrents seem to be gaining traction). No legal alternative offers this level of convenience. I suspect piracy will become harder for the average user due to three letter agencies makin…

It can be free but not that convenient. Pirated content needs to be checked to make sure it's not fake nor malicious, not to mention the technical downsides of the torrent protocol (large bandwidth consumption, insecure, easy to block, slow speed on non port-forwarding routers etc) It's much easier to buy and download games on Steam or watch movies on Netflix nowadays.

I checked last 10 movies I saw. 2 aren't available on Netfilx at all. Of remaining 6 aren't even available in US. None is available in my country. I think I'll stick to torrents.

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Post by stdbrouw »

rangibaby wrote: post #143
skoczymroczny wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't making EU single market and getting rid of geoblocking pretty much remove regional pricing? The piracy then would surge even more, because in Eastern Europe you can't expect people to spent 10% of their salary on a new videogame.

Well then they should just give everyone the cheap price. I don't see why Hollywood is entitled to x% of my salary. If it means they have to spend a few mllion dollars less on advertising Captain America 4 or Star Wars 8 or Fast and Furious 8 then so be it.

I don't see why you are entitled to a cheap price.

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Post by philh »

rangibaby wrote: post #143
skoczymroczny wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't making EU single market and getting rid of geoblocking pretty much remove regional pricing? The piracy then would surge even more, because in Eastern Europe you can't expect people to spent 10% of their salary on a new videogame.

Well then they should just give everyone the cheap price. I don't see why Hollywood is entitled to x% of my salary. If it means they have to spend a few mllion dollars less on advertising Captain America 4 or Star Wars 8 or Fast and Furious 8 then so be it.

> If it means they have to spend a few mllion dollars less on advertising Captain America 4 or Star Wars 8 or Fast and Furious 8 then so be it.

It's not like they have "spend money on advertising" as a terminal value. They spend money on advertising because advertising makes money.

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