When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All • Hacker News Board

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Post by mmanfrin » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 7:52 PM UTC

learc83 wrote: post #138

mmanfrin wrote: post #93

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I just saw the new Star Wars -- cofinanced by (e:) Alibaba films. In it, one of the moral cruxes of the main story was that the crew needed 'Unity'. I saw this as a subtle shift from american 'Freedom'. There's a point where some 'good guys' are being held prisoner. In any red-blooded American Hollywood Film, this would lead to 'GIVE US OUR FREEDOM' type resistance. In this movie, it led to 'WE NEED UNITY' resistance…

>In it, one of the moral cruxes of the main story was that the crew needed 'Unity'. I saw this as a subtle shift from american 'Freedom'. Teamwork is a huge theme in countless Hollywood movies. A rag tag group of misfits who has to overcome their differences and learn to work together is a classic movie trope. I don't think this has anything do with trying to appeal to Chinese audiences. Less complex (and less overal…

Certainly there is teamwork in many films, but I feel in traditional films that teamwork is to work towards the common goal of 'freedom' (abstractly). In this Star Trek movie, it came down to a struggle of power vs (explicitly) "unity". I.e., bad guy was against the idea of Unity. So in American films, unity is used as a tool to the end goal of freedom, whereas in this film the struggle was towards the ultimate goal of unity.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Post by gnaritas » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 7:52 PM UTC

tiatia wrote: post #125

android521 wrote: post #89

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I always wonder who are the idiotic supporters of trump and what were they thing? Now I found one. So trump raises 10% import tax, how will that affect prices and the economy. You are such a genius. The world is a dangerous place because of people like you with half brains.

>So trump raises 10% import tax This was just an example. But it does not matter if 1% or 10%. It is per day. Cumulative. Please look up the word if you don't understand it. It is cumulative until the trade balance is balanced again.

You're only proving his point.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Post by darkhorn » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 7:53 PM UTC

It is their country, they can do whatever they want. I think USA should do whatever it wants too, like blocking Chinese tech companies in the USA.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Post by danbruc » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 7:55 PM UTC

jgroch wrote: post #148

danbruc wrote: post #126

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What is so amazing about this sentence?

in theory it's stealing something very very very abstwact?

It is of course theft, my point was that I assume the west is also taking whatever they can get so that it would be hypocritical to blame China for doing it.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Post by danielrhodes » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 7:55 PM UTC

chillydawg wrote: post #69

bradleyjg wrote: post #11

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You left out the espionage part of the technology transfer equation.

You don't need much espionage when western companies are literally sending specs for their products to be manufactured in China.

I visited an Airbus factory and on the floor were dozens of pallets filled with parts ready to be loaded on a ship headed for China. The tour guide said that in order for big orders of Airbus planes to be made from China, Airbus had agreed to do final assembly in China. Boeing on the other hand, he smirked, did not agree to this and subsequently didn't get the orders (this has since changed and Boeing is doing the same, just not final assembly). It was pretty obvious to me why Boeing would not have wanted to do this, but Airbus didn't seem to have the same reservations.

I will bet that in 5-10 years, China will start manufacturing its own airplanes.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Post by Nadya » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 7:57 PM UTC

giardini wrote: post #105

morgante wrote: post #75

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And watch while we are plunged into a recession due to a huge disruption in global supply chains. Sorry, but complex problems don't have simple answers. Trump can't unilaterally force China to stop its protectionism, at least not without inflicting significant hurt on the American economy. How do you think people will react to a 10% increase in prices for almost all goods?

"And watch while we are plunged into a recession due to a huge disruption in global supply chains." WHAT supply chain? There is NO supply chain anymore. JIT (Just-In-Time) inventory has been replaced by BLTN (Better-Late-Than-Never) and AGNM (Ain't-Got-No-More) inventory. Went to a large box store on the weekend. They had empty containers marked "Display" on the shelves. Two different employees explained that I shoul…

>I've bought five new fingernail clippers in the last six months and, for God's sake, they won't cut my nails! They're all made in China.

I'm just here to help. May I suggest these: https://www.amazon.com/Seki-Edge-Stainless-Fingernail-Clippe...

If your concern is with quality a good place to browse is: https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyItForLife/

Generally you'll have a number of options with pros/cons of each to select from. Often things are a little on the pricier side - but that price is for quality. Not all items are meant "for life" unfortunately, but a good 5-10 years is better than 5-10 weeks.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Post by 6stringmerc » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 8:06 PM UTC

civilian wrote: post #94

joe_the_user wrote: post #77

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Your comment sounds like it's coming from ten years ago or something. China may (or may not, for all I know) have beaten the West in the game of getting the technology it wants but the country has enough structural problems that it's chances of getting ahead of the West broadly are looking very dim. Problems: Horrific pollution, huge loans to inefficient state-run industries, massive real state and infrastructure mal…

Yup! Additionally the Chinese government is not a smart investor, and that's led to overcapacity. Eventually these bad investments will punish China, but it make take some time. http://www.economist.com/news/business/21696552-chinas-indus... http://www.economist.com/news/business/21693573-chinas-exces...

I saw a different thread about how China embraced mobile payments. One of the benefits was a consumer could pay a farmer directly using the mobile payment.

My first thought following reading that was "Yeah, and then the Farmer transfers that money into the stock market, and creates the bubble effect that is only corrected by direct intervention not allowing it to go down naturally."

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Post by 6stringmerc » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 8:08 PM UTC

danbruc wrote: post #154

jgroch wrote: post #148

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in theory it's stealing something very very very abstwact?

It is of course theft, my point was that I assume the west is also taking whatever they can get so that it would be hypocritical to blame China for doing it.

Eh, that's kind of rationalizing away the threat posed by China's habitual targeting of US military tech, specifically in aviation.

I'll believe China has corrected its dirty sourcing ways when they build their own reliable Mach 2 Fighter Jet from scratch without reading Lockheed's homework first.

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Post by learc83 » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 8:10 PM UTC

narrator wrote: post #44

skynetv2 wrote: post #10

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> China ended up with last generate tech we are way past that point. China has leap frogged pretty much everyone else in every aspect. It took China less than a year to build the worlds fastest supercomputer (unclassified) after US placed restrictions on related technology exports to China. China was building components for supercomputers over the past decade, they would show case a network, a small processor, coolin…

The west's critical flaw is that it believes its own propaganda. The "Washington Consensus" believed that no country could develop or resist the temptations of the "superior" culture and understanding of the western financial system and industry. That the countries that they were moving into were hopeless without their intelligence and guidance and would quickly fall in line and become dependent and helpless without…

Talk about believing propaganda. You're falling for Chinese propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Broad Sustainable Building Group is basically one giant propaganda machine propped up by government loans.

They've been talking about building the world's tallest building in only 90 days for years, but they recently dropped the idea because it was never a serious proposal. Buildings of this height need rigidity from huge amounts of steel and concrete. That much concrete that can't cure in the time frames they're talking about, and hooking modular sections together they way they're doing it isn't rigid enough.

The technology is so far away from doing what they said they would that it's laughable.

But prefab building technology on the scale they are actually building, as opposed to what they say in they're press releases, isn't "mystifying."

A US company could also raise a prefab 50 story building in 2 weeks. If the government loaned them hundreds of millions of dollars, allowed them to ignore worker safety and environmental laws, and they ignored any long term maintenance considerations.

It wouldn't be profitable, just like it's not profitable China. And it wouldn't last 40 years, just like the buildings in China won't last 40 years.

Not to mention that almost everyone believes they are fudging the numbers on the total prep time.

Ever been to a hackathon where teams technically built a product in 2 days but spent a month rehearsing what they were going to do once the clock started?

There's plenty of speculation that's exactly what Broad Sustainable Building Group is doing. Not that the state run media is ever going to allow any of their critics to talk openly.

I'll leave you with a word from the company themselves. "Sustainable Building Group's prefab technology is] the most profound innovation in human history." Really? You're buying this?

Re: When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Post by anonymousDan » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 8:10 PM UTC

notliketherest wrote: post #18

Not to mention China's state sponsored thefts of American IP (esp tech), which is no doubt being used in Chinese carbon copy corporations protected behind the great firewall.

I'm probably opening myself to accusations of whataboutery but it's not like America has never partaken in state sponsored industrial espionage: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/10/nsa-busted-conducting...