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When It Comes to China, Google’s Experience Still Says It All

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Post by narrator »

fryguy wrote: post #78
narrator wrote: post #44

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The west's critical flaw is that it believes its own propaganda. The "Washington Consensus" believed that no country could develop or resist the temptations of the "superior" culture and understanding of the western financial system and industry. That the countries that they were moving into were hopeless without their intelligence and guidance and would quickly fall in line and become dependent and helpless without…

Was that anything like the hotel in San Antonio? http://www.modular.org/htmlPage.aspx?HtmlPageId=400

That was 202 working days to build a 21 story building. Broad built a 57 story building with 800 apartments at the speed of 3 floors per day: http://www.treehugger.com/green-architecture/broad-sustainab... . So the same concept, but built 30x faster. The whole building is basically built at a factory and each segment is hauled in and snapped together.

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Post by Theodores »

narrator wrote: post #44
skynetv2 wrote: post #10

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> China ended up with last generate tech we are way past that point. China has leap frogged pretty much everyone else in every aspect. It took China less than a year to build the worlds fastest supercomputer (unclassified) after US placed restrictions on related technology exports to China. China was building components for supercomputers over the past decade, they would show case a network, a small processor, coolin…

The west's critical flaw is that it believes its own propaganda. The "Washington Consensus" believed that no country could develop or resist the temptations of the "superior" culture and understanding of the western financial system and industry. That the countries that they were moving into were hopeless without their intelligence and guidance and would quickly fall in line and become dependent and helpless without…

You are right about the arrogance of the Western Consensus. It is group-corporate-narcissism, that group being the 'leaders' in politics, business and elsewhere.

I think that group-narcissism got the better of Uber. Is Uber likely to be headed up by high-functioning narcissists? Well, let's start with the name, dictionary definition being:

'Uber - denoting an outstanding or supreme example of a particular kind of person or thing.'

Then there is the idea that they can just waltz in to the China market (where most people were riding Flying Pigeon bicycles not so long ago) and make a success of it, spending investors money as if it was water. All they have for that money is an easily copied app. Uber have no local knowledge, no appreciation of local ways, just ego and arrogance, all said in the name and it is no surprise that it went pear shaped.

Facebook, Twitter, those things are where narcissists go to get likes. This works well in the West where everyone is a special snowflake, but China is not like that so it is no surprise that, technical hurdles aside, our social media is different to their social media...

Every company wants to be the best and we all want to work for the best companies, however, the leadership does not have to be a small in-group of ultra-narcissists. For instance, HN darling Tesla seems devoid of narcissism and is more about altruism. Google seems wired that way too. If Google and Tesla take over the world and outer space I will be happy with that. If the corporate narcissists such as Uber run the show then they will not last, arrogance will get the better of them and our new Chinese overlords will replace them.

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Post by chrischen »

jgroch wrote: post #98
chrischen wrote: post #87

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Protectionist trade policies are common in Japan too. Ford quit the Japanese market after less than 5000 units sold in 2015. http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/industry-news/why-arent-foreig... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-fletcher/japan-the-forgott...

"Protectionist trade policies are common in Japan too...." There are advantages to the way Asian economists do it. For example, not only in Japan, but especially in Korea, cell phones were standard even by the mid-90's....EVERYONE had one. And the rates were quite reasonable, too. (No contracts, either. IfIRememberRight.) But there are(/were) disadvantages to Asian Tiger economics too. After the Asian bubble burst, t…

Protectionism in my opinion is key to helping an economy that is developing to catch up.

What Should happen instead is quid pro quo trade agreements. But in Google and Uber's case Chinese industry isn't exploiting the US market, so the US companies have no right to complain.

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Post by akiselev »

jdietrich wrote: post #92
klodolph wrote: post #36

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You're looking at the PR, look at the actual technology. Anyone can build a big enough supercomputer if you throw enough money at the problem. This high level of spending is getting hard to justify, however, because most of the problems you want to solve can't be solved just by throwing another order of magnitude of computing power at the problem. Building a supercomputer becomes a bit of a boondoggle, a public-relat…

TSMC have two 16nm fabs and are building a 10nm fab.

Taiwan is not China. Where in China is TSMC building cutting edge semiconductor fab?

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Post by rayvd »

mladenkovacevic wrote: post #106
mmanfrin wrote: post #93

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I just saw the new Star Wars -- cofinanced by (e:) Alibaba films. In it, one of the moral cruxes of the main story was that the crew needed 'Unity'. I saw this as a subtle shift from american 'Freedom'. There's a point where some 'good guys' are being held prisoner. In any red-blooded American Hollywood Film, this would lead to 'GIVE US OUR FREEDOM' type resistance. In this movie, it led to 'WE NEED UNITY' resistance…

Do you by any chance mean Star Trek and Alibaba films?

Probably. This wouldn't be a new theme for Star Trek.

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Post by xiaoma »

jazzyk wrote: post #108
xiaoma wrote: post #61

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China is competently run, Europe is not.

Oh, really? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/16/chinas-debt...

Yes.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?end=2015&...

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Post by muninn_ »

conanbatt wrote: post #96
erdevs wrote: post #28

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It seems to me that China outplayed the West here by a wide margin. For some reason, the West has let China get away with extremely protectionist trade policies the likes of which no one else in the world would dare even attempt. I think this was a combination of fear that isolating China vs creating a high degree of economic interdependence could lead to war down the line, and a lack of control over Western companie…

Why is it a problem if China develops a higher GDP than the US. Its not a problem for the people. It might be a problem to politicians that want to tell a story, but wishing china to do worse economically is truly backwards. If china comes out with better technology than the us, better products and services, cheaper and all that, the whole world gets better. If you dont believe that, then you must for the sake of con…

China's GDP compared to it's population is interesting. 3-4 times the population of the US but 80% of the GDP. To me it only seems natural that they will eventually overtake the United States in GDP. India should too, as should the EU

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Post by teslaberry »

google IS the nsa and u.s. deep state.

why would any competent super power allow google operate freely , if at all, in their country.

look at europe. all of europe has crap internet entrepreneuriship and is totally and utterly infiltrated by usa/nsa search.

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Post by ryanobjc »

danbruc wrote: post #109

I really dislike this tone of China acting fundamentally badly. It's their country, they can do whatever the heck they want. If they want a local replacement for everything already existing outside of Chine, so be it. If you just let established big players have all the cake, chances for success of local competitors become pretty slim. Stealing trade secrets if of course not okay, but that is more of a theoretical ar…

"stealing of trade secrets [...] is more of a theoretical argument"

I just wanted to point out this pretty amazing sentence.

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