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Wal-Mart in Talks to Buy Web Retailer Jet.com for $3B

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Re: Wal-Mart in Talks to Buy Web Retailer Jet.com for $3B

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This would make Wal-mart the biggest production Azure user in terms of actual traffic. That'd be a killer position for Microsoft to be in.

> That'd be a killer position for Microsoft to be in. What do you mean by this? I don't deal with things of that scale, but I would imagine it would put Wal-Mart in a very good position to negotiate down near at-cost. It could be good for Microsoft on the PR front against Amazon, but bad for profit margins (on this one account).

They would be a hero customer. From my understanding, Jet.com is already a reference customer, which means that they talk about intimate details about their infrastructure with prospective Microsoft customers.

A hero customer typically pushes your platform in radical ways to let you know what to improve. They're also someone you can talk about, and it instantly gains you credibility. For Azure, actual workloads are lacking, especially workloads that are volume, B2C businesses a la AWS's Netflix, and GCE's Spotify.

Re: Wal-Mart in Talks to Buy Web Retailer Jet.com for $3B

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What happens to F# now? Jet used it heavily and championed usage.

Well, Jet isn't the only company to use F# (just AFAIK, the only consumer-facing startup). I can't imagine Walmart wholesale replacing their codebase with whatever the folks at Walmart Labs like to use, as that would be incredibly stupid of them.

Re: Wal-Mart in Talks to Buy Web Retailer Jet.com for $3B

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This buyout is based on FUD, and FUD-based investment is a recipe for disaster. From the OP: >But for both Jet and Wal-Mart, Amazon’s frenzy of warehouse construction and fast delivery—as quickly as one-hour—have proved formidable. The retailer has logged three straight quarters of record profit while locking in an estimated 60 million members to its $99-per-year Prime service, cultivating a loyal customer base and g…

Walmart has already spent close to $12B funding walmart.com/labs and not made a dent in catching Amazon. Jet has a super smart team looking at ways to gain margins in areas amazon is ignoring. short term their investors won't appreciate this buy.

12B sounds like an incredible number for labs. Is there a source?

Re: Wal-Mart in Talks to Buy Web Retailer Jet.com for $3B

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This buyout is based on FUD, and FUD-based investment is a recipe for disaster. From the OP: >But for both Jet and Wal-Mart, Amazon’s frenzy of warehouse construction and fast delivery—as quickly as one-hour—have proved formidable. The retailer has logged three straight quarters of record profit while locking in an estimated 60 million members to its $99-per-year Prime service, cultivating a loyal customer base and g…

Upper management is filled with cargo cult thinking around technology. I see it even in software companies. Someone advocating a rational, realistic way forward (like you) would be pushed out in favor of people who "get it" and want to "move things forwards dramatically"

Yeah, I can see the stupid arguments already. We don't want to make 'incremental improvements', we need a game changing leap forward!

Re: Wal-Mart in Talks to Buy Web Retailer Jet.com for $3B

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This buyout is based on FUD, and FUD-based investment is a recipe for disaster. From the OP: >But for both Jet and Wal-Mart, Amazon’s frenzy of warehouse construction and fast delivery—as quickly as one-hour—have proved formidable. The retailer has logged three straight quarters of record profit while locking in an estimated 60 million members to its $99-per-year Prime service, cultivating a loyal customer base and g…

Walmart has already spent close to $12B funding walmart.com/labs and not made a dent in catching Amazon. Jet has a super smart team looking at ways to gain margins in areas amazon is ignoring. short term their investors won't appreciate this buy.

> Jet has a super smart team looking at ways to gain margins in areas amazon is ignoring

So does Walmart Labs, though. What makes Jet a better buy? Even if they've proven successful as their own company I'm super-skeptical of any startup merging with a larger organisation and retaining anywhere near 100% efficiency.

Re: Wal-Mart in Talks to Buy Web Retailer Jet.com for $3B

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This buyout is based on FUD, and FUD-based investment is a recipe for disaster. From the OP: >But for both Jet and Wal-Mart, Amazon’s frenzy of warehouse construction and fast delivery—as quickly as one-hour—have proved formidable. The retailer has logged three straight quarters of record profit while locking in an estimated 60 million members to its $99-per-year Prime service, cultivating a loyal customer base and g…

Jet, based on its promotional content is heavy into the home products category. Walmart would love to knock them out to absorb that competition to getting delivery and even subscription delivery of home products. So it may be the price Walmart is willing to pay to ensure nobody is making Jet their new source for houseware products and avoiding the WalMart Brand. We also don't know what else Jet has in the pipeline, n…

What surprises me is that in many European countries, you can now order ALL of your groceries delivered.

You place an order, and someone physically walks around a local supermarket, picks up stuff, they put on a van, and it is delivered to your home. It is actually very inexpensive (and free if you spend enough).

Yet nobody in the US does that (well nobody outside of big cities). Walmart right now today has a HUGE advantage, they can deliver products impossible to Amazon like fresh fruit and veg, meats, and all kinds of things.

But yet, do they? No. Walmart already has "warehouses" in every state, city, location. They're called stores. But instead of double dipping on that advantage, they keep using them as traditional retailers while Amazon rules the home delivery advantage.

Amazon are currently moving into an area Walmart already has an advantage in (being local) but because Walmart under utilises their advantage to such a large degree, Amazon is left alone to do so.

Re: Wal-Mart in Talks to Buy Web Retailer Jet.com for $3B

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This buyout is based on FUD, and FUD-based investment is a recipe for disaster. From the OP: >But for both Jet and Wal-Mart, Amazon’s frenzy of warehouse construction and fast delivery—as quickly as one-hour—have proved formidable. The retailer has logged three straight quarters of record profit while locking in an estimated 60 million members to its $99-per-year Prime service, cultivating a loyal customer base and g…

Walmart has already spent close to $12B funding walmart.com/labs and not made a dent in catching Amazon. Jet has a super smart team looking at ways to gain margins in areas amazon is ignoring. short term their investors won't appreciate this buy.

> Jet has a super smart team

They might be smart but they haven't been successful. They almost immediately abandoned their original value proposition-- make money on the subscriptions like Costco and break even on sales.

Re: Wal-Mart in Talks to Buy Web Retailer Jet.com for $3B

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Given the proposed price relative to funding raised it's likely the investors will get their money back plus a small return, employees with options will likely get nothing or perhaps a token amount (after all the preferred terms are cashed in) and the founder gets to sell off another highly unprofitable business. This will be chalked up as a "failed" startup but at least the investors get to take their money and play…

Really, you are claiming that if a company raised $570M and sold for $3B, the common shareholders will get screwed? Do you have some information we don't? The publicly reported valuation at the last funding round was $1.4B. Those would have to be some impossibly harsh terms to not leave well over $1B to the common shareholders.

The price in these "the business model didn't work so let's save the investors and sell" type deals is primarily driven by paying off the early investors. Term sheets typically say these investors make a decent return before anyone else gets paid.

Conversation at the deal table is usually something like "we need X valuation to meet our term sheet with investors so the founders and a few others get paid." The rescue buyer generally doesn't care about what the employees get, in fact it's very much in the buyers interest that the employees don't get too much.

In other words the size of the valuation being bounced around is likely not driven by the value of assets for shareholders but rather the size of the contractual hole in the ground that founders dug with their investors... to escape that hole $X is needed.

Re: Wal-Mart in Talks to Buy Web Retailer Jet.com for $3B

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So it was a total growth viral sign up tactic.

To secure 250K users, they offered 20K shares or something like that.

To sign up, you had to tweet, fb share, etc....

250K users in queue enabled them to do a lot of things, but in many senses it may have been a false proxy.

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