non compete is far more valuable.
I don't disagree, but that doesn't necessarily mean this is a bad idea. The difficult part is enforcement, of course.
Massachusetts Bans Employers from Asking Applicants About Previous Pay
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Re: Massachusetts Bans Employers from Asking Applicants About Previous Pay
#702Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it is. Everyone remembers getting shitty offshore technical support from company X then a few years later you're the engineer making recommendations or the CTO signing off POs and you think "I will never deal with X again". I've got my list, I bet everyone reading this can think of their own X's too...
Of course it is. What do you mean by it ? That the difference between great and average technical support is worth millions of dollars in revenue? Everyone remembers getting shitty offshore technical support This seems hardly generalizable, but beyond that, I agree with you. Shitty tech support is never excusable. Pay for average or above-average tech support. Those you can train in less than a month. Don't break you…
"Pay for average or above-average tech support."
Yes!
"Those you can train in less than a month."
Can you train a senior developer in a month? Can you train a true full-stack developer in a month? Can you train a "10X" developer in a month?
Re: Massachusetts Bans Employers from Asking Applicants About Previous Pay
#703Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Boston area is currently experiencing the largest brain-drain of tech workers in the US: https://www.boston.com/jobs/jobs-news/2016/07/11/boston-home...
The way that article, from a study conducted by a real estate company, defines brain drain is interesting though. Basically, Boston has a huge number of STEM students and a disproportionate number of them leave after they graduate for a variety of reasons. However, in the context of the Bay area, consider the following paragraph: "CBRE’s report notes that over the past five years, the cost of living in Boston has cli…
> The article also cites people returning home and better city experience (bigger city/better climate ?)
Boston is small, the public transportation system kind of sucks, and everything closes early. And trying to change those things raises a lot of neighborhood groups' hackles. The rents are high and a lot of the housing stock is old. All stuff that drives young people away, I'm guessing.
Re: Massachusetts Bans Employers from Asking Applicants About Previous Pay
#704Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe I am a total loser, but I am not aware of any companies which "routinely" pay $300K for technical positions, not even at the Director level, in the Boston area.
Wayfair does, in Boston.
I have a friend that works there as an engineer and as far as he has told me they pay about average to a bit below average and the engineers sit in an open plan office.
Just checked glassdoor, and a senior software engineer makes ~114k so that gives you a pretty good idea of their compensation structure...average.
Not to call you a liar or anything, but I get emails from wayfair recruiters all the time and my understanding of their compensation has led me not to respond but I'd love to be wrong.
Re: Massachusetts Bans Employers from Asking Applicants About Previous Pay
#705Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the monetary difference between an average road and a really great road is not nearly as much as the difference between an average system and a really great system. Pick another profession then. How about customer support? The difference between an average support person and a really great one can be millions of dollars of revenue. But they are paid peanuts because it's women's work, not like the manly engineering…
> But they are paid peanuts because it's women's work, not like the manly engineering which obviously creates more value Cherry-picking one profession to claim low salaries are because of gender is absurd. The world is an unfair place if you can't cope with the fact that a large majority of jobs will pay "peanuts". If tomorrow there is an infinite supply of highly qualified programmers, surely programmers would be pa…
> Cherry-picking one profession to claim low salaries are because of gender is absurd.
Community/support roles are still widely considered "soft skills", and thanks to a century or two of patriarchy, are indeed considered womens' work. (This is, needless to say, bullshit.)
You seem to be implying that there is an "infinite supply of highly qualified" community/support folks; hence the low wages. There is not.
Re: Massachusetts Bans Employers from Asking Applicants About Previous Pay
#706Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it is. Everyone remembers getting shitty offshore technical support from company X then a few years later you're the engineer making recommendations or the CTO signing off POs and you think "I will never deal with X again". I've got my list, I bet everyone reading this can think of their own X's too...
Of course it is. What do you mean by it ? That the difference between great and average technical support is worth millions of dollars in revenue? Everyone remembers getting shitty offshore technical support This seems hardly generalizable, but beyond that, I agree with you. Shitty tech support is never excusable. Pay for average or above-average tech support. Those you can train in less than a month. Don't break you…
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Re: Massachusetts Bans Employers from Asking Applicants About Previous Pay
#707This law goes in effect in two years!?
Re: Massachusetts Bans Employers from Asking Applicants About Previous Pay
#708This law goes in effect in two years?!
Re: Massachusetts Bans Employers from Asking Applicants About Previous Pay
#709Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's more to customer support than picking up a phone. I agree. There is more to customer support than picking up a phone, and some people make it sound like supporting a customer is just reading from the manual. There's also more to cleaning than mopping. You can employ your philosophy of cleanliness and make things perfectly ordered and spiffy-shiny. Maybe one day the CEO might walk in and be impressed by your a…
> (Names Jan and Dan were chosen as such because I have seen more female customer support and male software engineers than their counterparts. If you think that is sexism, then you are inherently valuing the human worth of software engineers over that of customer support personnel.) That's not really needed, my Name is Jan and I'm male. My cousin is called Dan and she is female (people call her Dan but it's Danielle)…
My mistake, haven't met too many Jan's and Dan's haha.
I chose those names and gender differentiation intentionally to make a point about emotional reactions not necessarily being logical.
Perhaps it was little over the top!
Re: Massachusetts Bans Employers from Asking Applicants About Previous Pay
#710Feel free to tell them what you make just add 15-40% to that number. This has worked well for me. Employers seem happy as well. Example: Assuming your current salary is X. "So I currently make (X * 1.20), but in order to make the jump I need at least (X * 1.40)." That way they get to feel out immediately whether they can afford you, you get the salary that would motivate you, and no one is wasting time in the hiring…
> Assuming your current salary is X. "So I currently make (X * 1.20), but in order to make the jump I need at least (X * 1.40)." Regardless of whether or not the employer actually does due diligence, why put yourself at risk by lying? The second half of that statement is the only part that matters. If you simply say "I need (X * 1.40) to make the jump", you'll accomplish your goal without putting yourself at risk by…
You can honestly include benefits in that.
Internal conversation: "I have 100K salary with nice benefits that are worth about 20K."
What you say: "My compensation is about 120K."