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Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've tried them, but they refuse to go in too.

I use these. I can bit down on it if I need extra force. http://www.apteekkituotteet.fi/WebRoot/Euran/Shops/Eura/506D... Of course people's teeth are different. I know some prefer these, where you push it in from the side. http://www.tepe.com/uk/products/interdental-brushes/

Thing is, teeth are so close to each other that literally nothing can get between them, not even food. I have however few teeth that get food in between, but these are the ones that already went bad and were fixed, and have gaps as a result of that.

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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I wonder why they don't fund proper studies. Maybe because the effect is too obvious to question? My oral hygienist can tell whether I floss regularly or not, so there must be an observable difference in plaque buildup. Subjectively my gums also feel better and bleed less when I floss regularly.

For years my oral hygienist kept telling me to a get an electric toothbrush. When I finally got one, I didn't tell her, but I never hear the "get an electric tooth brush" again. It was the same with flossing. When I started flossing I didn't say anything, and she hasn't commented that I need to floss since.

Also worth noting that if you floss properly (maybe also use interdental sticks) the descaling routine becomes a lot more comfortable. For this reason alone it's worth doing.

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

#45
post #12

From what I read and from personal experience it is a diet that has strongest effects on tooth health, not the the way to toothbrush or floss. For example, in Europe tooth health became much bigger problem after crusades when knights brought various dessert recipes from Lebanon and Syria.

It may well be, but since sugar is an integral part of modern diets that doesn't help us much.

It is not necessary sugar that causes the damage, but combinations. My personal experience is that a combination of meat or cheese and sweet desserts/drinks after that was the real problem.

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

#46
post #42

So this is not an argument against flossing it is just there are no studies for it, correct? (Haven't followed the thread)

There are studies which show that flossing isn't effective. Here's an older article mentioning three studies:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rosspomeroy/2013/10/17/dentists-...

I read the conclusion so that flossing is useless, because it isn't done correctly or it is just a wrong way to clean teeth.

I've had a similar personal experience. My dentist asked me to floss because my gums were bleeding. I flossed for few years, but it didn't cure my bleeding gums. Then my dentist suggested using interdental brushes. I did it for a while and it helped. My gums are no more bleeding.

So, I say no to flossing, yes to cleaning teeth with better means.

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

#47

Clickbait based on a 5-year old source which actually says, "Twelve trials were included in this review which reported data on two outcomes (dental plaque and gum disease). Trials were of poor quality and conclusions must be viewed as unreliable. The review showed that people who brush and floss regularly have less gum bleeding compared to toothbrushing alone. There was weak, very unreliable evidence of a possible sm…

The recommendation to floss was not justified by reduced gum bleeding, it was justifies by reduces tooth decay. Indees, its now been removes from official FDA recommendations. Likewise, flossing might very reliably make the backs of your teeth whiter, but this is a negligible benefit and is not curing a disease. The headline is a fair summary, even if it could have been more informative by not trying to be funny.

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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post #2

I wonder why they don't fund proper studies. Maybe because the effect is too obvious to question? My oral hygienist can tell whether I floss regularly or not, so there must be an observable difference in plaque buildup. Subjectively my gums also feel better and bleed less when I floss regularly.

Except that studies have now shown that the effect is not obvious at all.

"Since doctors began saying that a string-based tooth scrapping was good for oral health, a handful of studies have been conducted. However, they all fall far short of what’s needed to make a convincing argument. A 2011 review of a dozen randomized controlled studies concluded that, “Overall there is weak, very unreliable evidence which suggests that flossing plus toothbrushing may be associated with a small reduction in plaque at 1 or 3 months.”

The US Agriculture and Health and Human Services departments quietly removed the flossing recommendation from the latest version of dietary guidelines.

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If anyone thinks that this is because the study's parameters are too narrow to show an effect, that is not the case. Other studies have successfully shown the benefits of flossing... if the dentist is the one performing it. But they haven't been able to show similar results when regular people do the flossing.

"Maybe the evidence that flossing reduces tooth decay or gum disease does not hold up because we are all such poor flossers. Superflossers, like the zealous hygienist at your dentist’s office, aim to “hug the neck of the tooth” and get below the gum line, Dr. Hujoel said.

But we common folk, staring woefully at our bathroom mirrors, tend to lightly give it the once-over.

A review of six trials found that when professionals flossed the teeth of children on school days for almost two years, they saw a 40 percent reduction in the risk of cavities.

So maybe perfect flossing is effective. But scientists would be hard put to find anyone to test that theory."

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Honestly, I'm not surprised at all. Years ago, my dentist strongly urged me to get my asymptomatic wisdom teeth removed. I then went home and did my own research on this subject. And what I found was the complete opposite of my dentist's recommendation.

But a new study of more than 6,000 patients in Greece found that only 2.7 percent of the teeth had a cyst or tumor. An older study, often cited by critics of routine extraction, found that only 12 percent of 1,756 middle-aged people who had not had impacted wisdom teeth removed experienced a complication.

Numerous comprehensive reviews of research, conducted by independent bodies not affiliated with oral surgeons, have concluded that there was no evidence to support routine prophylactic extraction of impacted but healthy wisdom teeth.

Britain’s National Health Service stopped paying for the procedure if there was no good reason for it after an analysis by its Center for Reviews and Dissemination at the University of York concluded in 1998 that there was no solid scientific evidence to support it. Also that year, the Royal College of Physicians of Edinburgh said that for patients who do not have a condition related to third molars or whose teeth would probably grow in successfully, removal is “not advisable.”

In 2005, a review by the respected Cochrane Collaboration said the number of extractions could be reduced by 60 percent if they were done only when patients were in pain or developed a condition related to wisdom teeth. The group also said there is “reliable evidence” that suggests that removing wisdom teeth does not prevent or reduce crowding of front teeth.

In 2008, the American Public Health Association dismissed arguments typically made for removing wisdom teeth: that adjacent teeth might be damaged, or that the teeth may harbor bacteria that cause periodontal disease. The association approved a policy saying these concerns do not justify the risks of surgery, which include possible nerve damage, complications from anesthesia. loss of the sense of taste and, very rarely, death.

“The few studies of long-term retention of impacted teeth have shown little risk of harm,” the association concluded.

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I've since brought this up with a few other friends who are dentists as well. They always start off by haranguing me for doing my own research, instead of following my dentist's recommendation. Then once I show them all the above evidence, which they have never seen before, they change their minds and accept that I'm probably right.

With a track record like that, I wouldn't be surprised at all if flossing turns out to be yet another sacred cow that's virtually pointless in reality.

I do have to say kudos to the dental field though. At least they are making efforts to validate their recommendations, using empirical studies. I wonder how many of the recommendations given by programmers/teachers/fitness-trainers etc are similarly flawed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/health/flossing-teeth-cavi...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/health/06consumer.html

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

#49
post #2

I wonder why they don't fund proper studies. Maybe because the effect is too obvious to question? My oral hygienist can tell whether I floss regularly or not, so there must be an observable difference in plaque buildup. Subjectively my gums also feel better and bleed less when I floss regularly.

The effect is very obvious. I'm not ashasmed to say that since the age of 18 - your last year of free dental care in Sweden - to the age of 31, I didn't go to the dentist at all. I brushed mostly regularly the second half of this period, I never flossed. I'm a computer geek, I can get caught up in code for days without brushing my teeth but try to do it regularly. The result was 13 years of plaque and two visits to a…

> I brushed mostly regularly the second half of this period

I'm terrified to ask what you did the first half of that period.

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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> Still, many dentists will continue to recommend flossing for removing debris between your chompers. "It's low risk, low cost," National Institutes of Health dentist Tim Iafolla told CNBC. "We know there's a possibility that it works, so we feel comfortable telling people to go ahead and do it."

Instead of talking about flossing you could talk about keeping a pet rock in your pocket and it'd also be "low risk, low cost ... we know there's a possibility that it works".

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