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Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by 2bitencryption »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #13

I think this is a very unfortunate situation, but the thought of Facebook disabling her account at the behest of the police, that doesn't feel right. We seen that we cannot always trust the police perspective in shootings, so instead of disabling the account, perhaps Facebook should have instead continue to record the feed but disable the comments.

"Mr. Zuckerberg sir, an incredibly violent and hostile individual with a gun is livestreaming a standoff with the police. It's very likely this livestream will involve somebody brutally dying or getting horrible maimed. Also, this stream could jeopardize an important police operation underway to neutralize this dangerous person. Should we pull the stream?"

"No! Of course not! The internet is the land of Freedom! Hosting this content isn't bad for us at all!"

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by blahi »

erdevs wrote: post #51
tedunangst wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tends to attract even more lookieloos.

That's a good point of concern, for sure.

It is also the reason why broadcasters do not show field invasions from fans in football (the real football). There are some people with very loose screws in their heads. Claiming fame with stupid shit like that totally justifies it in their mind.

Invasions dropped very substantially after the TV stations enacted this policy.

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by will_brown »

tamana wrote: post #68
will_brown wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is people getting served really more important than people's lives? She wasn't just being served court documents, the police were executing a bench warrant, meaning the police were there to bring her into jail. Moreover, the officers went into this knowing this woman was charged with 4 misdemeanors including resisting arrest, and then she didn't go to court and that is why they were there. Execution of bench warrant…

If executing a bench warrant is so dangerous, maybe police should be more careful about how they serve them. For example, surveil the target and approach when the target is not holding a gun.

Yeah it would be great if police had resources so they could do surveillance for every defendant who is issued a bench warrant for failing to show up to court. Alternatively, it would be even better if the defendant's saved us all those tax payer dollars and a) showed up to their court hearings, or b) turned themselves after they were mailed the warrant and remove the need for the police to execute the warrant.

Unfortunately, unlimited police funding and hoping all defendants appear in court/surrender themselves are not real solutions. To put the issue in perspective, take the State of NY, at any given time there are going to be well over 1,000,000 open arrest warrants. At that scale even with all the resources and all the care in the World, police are not going to eliminate either officer or defendant deaths completely when warrants are executed. Just look at the society we live in, this defendant was being encouraged in real-time on Facebook to do something that ultimately resulted in her death and the child being shot. As a side I would really like to see these the alleged posts encouraging her not to surrender peacefully, depending on exactly what was said these individuals could in theory be charged with significant crimes themselves.

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by blahi »

williamscales wrote: post #27
gpm wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The normal justification (the only I've heard) for that is you don't want to give the suspects an advantage. Clearly that justification doesn't apply when the suspect is the one livestreaming it. Can you give another justification?

The negotiator is going to try to work with the suspect. If the suspect is communicating with people online that could undermine the negotiations and make the situation much more dangerous for both.

This is a very serious reason.

Obviously there are many creeps on the internet. They can taunt, prod, confuse, mislead and provoke the already unstable person, in a nerve wrecking situation, with a gun in his hand.

The mere fact that s/he is broadcasting takes away power from the negotiator.

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by wildmusings »

catuskoti wrote: post #75

Well, this new incident will certainly help justifying new killings of policemen. It will make other people who were already close to the line, now cross it. In that sense, nothing comes for free. As a libertarian, I certainly believe that these things should never come for free. I am now waiting for the news that at least half a dozen policemen were unceremoniously killed somewhere.

Are you kidding me? She was shooting at police in order to resist arrest. This is about as justified as it gets.

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by wildmusings »

Kenji wrote: post #11

I wonder if there was a way to resolve this standoff without her death. I.e. letting her shoot all the shotgun shells she has, or just waiting until she gets tired and slips up, gets hungry, etc. Yeah, it requires a lot of patience but hey, you can save a human life. I don't think she would have harmed her kid so waiting in cover seems like a relatively safe thing to do?

Someone shooting at the police is a clear and present danger to everyone's life and needs to be neutralized as quickly as possible. "Letting her shoot all the shells she had" sounds like a cute scene in a movie, not reality. You don't know what the shells will be able to penetrate, whether bystanders in nearby apartments or on the street are at danger, etc. The preservation of her life stopped being a concern when she pulled a deadly weapon and most certainly when she opened fire.

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by [deleted] »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #80
smcl wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see it as an attack on their views in general (though the sovereign citizen stuff is pretty odd, IMO) but that those sorts of people tend to ramble in an extremely weird way. If you haven't seen this specifically then think of a sort of madder, less coherent version of Glenn Beck or Alex Jones.

So, it's not a vague attack on their views, but a vague attack on their communication style?

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Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by [deleted] »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #80
smcl wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see it as an attack on their views in general (though the sovereign citizen stuff is pretty odd, IMO) but that those sorts of people tend to ramble in an extremely weird way. If you haven't seen this specifically then think of a sort of madder, less coherent version of Glenn Beck or Alex Jones.

So, it's not a vague attack on their views, but a vague attack on their communication style?

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Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by dogma1138 »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #13

I think this is a very unfortunate situation, but the thought of Facebook disabling her account at the behest of the police, that doesn't feel right. We seen that we cannot always trust the police perspective in shootings, so instead of disabling the account, perhaps Facebook should have instead continue to record the feed but disable the comments.

Why not? cutting off the lines of communication is pretty standard procedures in standoff situations.

Before cellphones they would just cut the landlines, I don't understand why they couldn't just use a jammer to cut her off instead of going to facebook but putting a media blackout on such situations isn't wrong.

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