Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff • Hacker News Board

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by nness » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 5:40 AM UTC

erdevs wrote: post #10

williamscales wrote: post #3

This seems entirely appropriate. It would be consistent with the practice of news outlets sometimes not showing an ongoing police operation live.

What is the rationale for news outlets not showing an ongoing police operation? Is it so that the suspects / perpetrators can't use the external information against the police? If so, does that rationale applicable when it is the suspect / perpetrator broadcast their own available information? I don't know the background for these policies, so asking the first question non-rhetorically.

"Munich massacre" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

> [...] camera crews filmed the actions of the officers from the German apartments, and broadcast the images live on television. Thus, the terrorists were able to watch the police prepare to attack

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by calbear81 » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 5:40 AM UTC

erdevs wrote: post #10

williamscales wrote: post #3

This seems entirely appropriate. It would be consistent with the practice of news outlets sometimes not showing an ongoing police operation live.

What is the rationale for news outlets not showing an ongoing police operation? Is it so that the suspects / perpetrators can't use the external information against the police? If so, does that rationale applicable when it is the suspect / perpetrator broadcast their own available information? I don't know the background for these policies, so asking the first question non-rhetorically.

Yes, I believe that has been cited that it gives the suspect or person of interest a way to evade/respond to police if the media are broadcasting information. For example, in this case, if we believe that the woman was holding a shotgun pointed at the police and the media reported that police were bringing a battering ram to break down her door, she might use that information to her advantage to escape, commit suicide, etc.

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 5:42 AM UTC

aab0 wrote: post #24

> According to a police report from the March stop, which the department released after the shooting, Gaines was stopped when an officer saw that in place of a license plate she had a piece of cardboard on her vehicle. The cardboard declared, “Any Government official who compromises this pursuit to happiness and right to travel, will be criminally responsible and fined, as this is a natural right and freedom.” So she…

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Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by johansch » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 6:01 AM UTC

erdevs wrote: post #45

nolepointer wrote: post #8

Considering her followers were encouraging her to not give in to police demands, this was entirely justified.

I think this is a good point. I wonder if livestreams could be enabled but perhaps comments/feedback could be disabled or invisible to the poster. This could also address concerns that external viewers might feed a suspect/perpetrator intel on the police operation which might impinge their efficacy in an already difficult notice.

Then the poster could just instruct the viewers to send their comments to some other social media post/service.

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by rahimnathwani » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 6:02 AM UTC

aab0 wrote: post #24

> According to a police report from the March stop, which the department released after the shooting, Gaines was stopped when an officer saw that in place of a license plate she had a piece of cardboard on her vehicle. The cardboard declared, “Any Government official who compromises this pursuit to happiness and right to travel, will be criminally responsible and fined, as this is a natural right and freedom.” So she…

"quotes her spouting more of the sovereign citizen legal gobbledegook"

It's sad that the top comment on this thread is just name-calling.

Why do you consider her views to be 'gobbledegook'?

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by tamana » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 6:06 AM UTC

erdevs wrote: post #7

Tragic and unfortunate, all around. I wonder what FB's policy on this will be going forward. In many ways, these livestreams are a public good and provide transparency and additional accountability in these situations. If people elect to stream them, it seems wrong to shut it down. On the other hand, perhaps there is a public good in not showing an ongoing live police operation? I think I'd lean toward not agreeing t…

It's a strange wish, because the only reason the police were intertsted in arresting her on Aug 1 was because she steadfastly rejected and resisted police authority previously. This was specifically a micro (idiot) rebellion against govt authority, there were no other (non-derivative) issues involved.

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by tamana » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 6:09 AM UTC

HelloImDumb wrote: post #26

panic wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police could have left her alone and come back later. They were in her house, and she was only threatening to harm the officers, not her child.

Again, I love that Monday morning quarterbacking. Crazed gunman? Come back later. Crazed gunman with a kid? Come back later. Crazed fugitive gunman with a warrant out, with a kid, threatening to kill police? Let them settle down, come back later. There was outrage in my town over a standoff with a guy (with kids) who was having attempted to be served on him by the cops for the dozenth time after a year on the lam, fo…

Thank you for your Monday morning psychiatric diagnosis of the deceased's mental state.

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by tamana » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 6:11 AM UTC

will_brown wrote: post #59

donatj wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Answer me this. Honestly. Is people getting served really more important than people's lives?

>Is people getting served really more important than people's lives? She wasn't just being served court documents, the police were executing a bench warrant, meaning the police were there to bring her into jail. Moreover, the officers went into this knowing this woman was charged with 4 misdemeanors including resisting arrest, and then she didn't go to court and that is why they were there. Execution of bench warrant…

If executing a bench warrant is so dangerous, maybe police should be more careful about how they serve them. For example, surveil the target and approach when the target is not holding a gun.

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by bmmayer1 » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 6:16 AM UTC

aab0 wrote: post #24

> According to a police report from the March stop, which the department released after the shooting, Gaines was stopped when an officer saw that in place of a license plate she had a piece of cardboard on her vehicle. The cardboard declared, “Any Government official who compromises this pursuit to happiness and right to travel, will be criminally responsible and fined, as this is a natural right and freedom.” So she…

Why does it matter? Having a cardboard license plate and an uncommon political belief doesn't make someone deserve to die.

Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff

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Post by tamana » Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 6:16 AM UTC

aab0 wrote: post #24

> According to a police report from the March stop, which the department released after the shooting, Gaines was stopped when an officer saw that in place of a license plate she had a piece of cardboard on her vehicle. The cardboard declared, “Any Government official who compromises this pursuit to happiness and right to travel, will be criminally responsible and fined, as this is a natural right and freedom.” So she…

It's not gobbledygook to disagree with the government. (Is the Declaration of Independence gobbledygook?) It's only gobbledygook if you expect a police officer or court to be persuaded by your reasoning. Gaines defended her sovereignty with her gun, just like the US and MD government does. Unfortunately for her, the MD government used it's guns more preemptively, aggressively, and effectively.