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‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by bduerst »

sp332 wrote: post #120
bduerst wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copyright includes exclusive rights to determine use and distribution of a work of art. That means copyright owners may determining how their work is distributed, including requiring the bundling with other approved works for combined consumption.

Sure, but drive-by contracts are not enforceable. You'd have to present me with the terms of use and let me agree to them before showing me the content.

>but drive-by contracts are not enforceable

Copyright itself isn't a contractual agreement, even though a SaaS TOS may lay out copyright agreements. Websites typically list their copyright publicly, and claiming negligence (typically) isn't considered a valid defense to infringement.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by drusepth »

Mahn wrote: post #11
seibelj wrote: post #2

> On the desktop, Brave provides a 40% to 60% speed increase, and a 2x to 4x speed increase on mobile devices. Mobile users see a direct reduction in both battery and data plan consumption. Brave also protects users with privacy and security features such as HTTPS Everywhere to encrypt data traffic, fingerprinting shields, phishing protection, malware filtering, and script blocking. Maybe this is a good enough argume…

It doesn't make much sense to be honest. I've heard about this browser a few times now and I still have no idea how is it supposed to gain traction. The performance/bandwidth benefits of less shitty ads can be had by simply disabling flash and using an ad blocker, and otherwise average people just aren't going to care to switch. As far as I can tell the only reason investors threw $7M at them is because Brendan Eich…

Definitely seems that way to me. For those of us that intentionally don't use ad blockers, I see literally no reason to use this browser over anything else. I see lots of reasons (extensions, comparability, compatibility, support, etc) _not_ to use it, though.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by bduerst »

wyager wrote: post #119
bduerst wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the type of book and the copyright holders intentions for their work.

No, it actually doesn't. If I own a book, I can do anything I want to it. I thought it was obvious that my question was entirely rhetorical. Your response speaks to the insanity people have become accustomed to in IP law.

>If I own a book, I can do anything I want to it.

Unless it's for fair use, you can't photocopy your textbook, for example. I think you may just be learning about the nuances of intellectual property for the first time.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by sp332 »

bduerst wrote: post #121
sp332 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but drive-by contracts are not enforceable. You'd have to present me with the terms of use and let me agree to them before showing me the content.

>but drive-by contracts are not enforceable Copyright itself isn't a contractual agreement, even though a SaaS TOS may lay out copyright agreements. Websites typically list their copyright publicly, and claiming negligence (typically) isn't considered a valid defense to infringement.

Copyright is a limitation on distributing a work, not on receiving one. Copyright has no bearing on me after I get a work, as long as I don't distribute it to anyone else.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by sp332 »

bduerst wrote: post #123
wyager wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it actually doesn't. If I own a book, I can do anything I want to it. I thought it was obvious that my question was entirely rhetorical. Your response speaks to the insanity people have become accustomed to in IP law.

>If I own a book, I can do anything I want to it. Unless it's for fair use, you can't photocopy your textbook, for example. I think you may just be learning about the nuances of intellectual property for the first time.

The answer is yes, you are allowed to scribble in a book you own and tear out pages. The answer does not depend on the "type of book" or any copyright licenses.

According to US law, I am also allowed to make copies for personal use, and several other "fair use" cases, absolutely regardless of licenses.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

#126

Post by bduerst »

sp332 wrote: post #125
bduerst wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If I own a book, I can do anything I want to it. Unless it's for fair use, you can't photocopy your textbook, for example. I think you may just be learning about the nuances of intellectual property for the first time.

The answer is yes, you are allowed to scribble in a book you own and tear out pages. The answer does not depend on the "type of book" or any copyright licenses. According to US law, I am also allowed to make copies for personal use, and several other "fair use" cases, absolutely regardless of licenses.

>Fair use

Precisely. Simply owning a book doesn't mean "I can do anything I want to it".

The same applies to copyright material online - just because you own a computer doesn't mean you own the intellectual property on it. You're free to scribble on your computer case though.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by jcoffland »

st3v3r wrote: post #97
jcoffland wrote: post #79

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Is my attention worth nothing? Are my contributions in the form of comments without value? Regardless I never agreed to view ads in trade for access to content and to be completely fair it was not offered to me in this way. The usual offer is along the lines of "hey click this link you will like what you find there." This is a far cry from, "view these ads and we will provided you with content."

"Is my attention worth nothing? Are my contributions in the form of comments without value?" Pretty much. You can't pay rent with "attention". It's just like the people that try to get designers to do work for free because of "exposure". "Regardless I never agreed to view ads in trade for access to content and to be completely fair it was not offered to me in this way." Yeah, you kinda did. This is the implicit agree…

> This is the implicit agreement of the internet.

Says who. The Internet was here before the corporations got ahold of it. And as a matter of fact, so was I.

If someone puts up something in a public space I have every right to view it in the way I please. That includes not looking at parts of it.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by sp332 »

bduerst wrote: post #126
sp332 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is yes, you are allowed to scribble in a book you own and tear out pages. The answer does not depend on the "type of book" or any copyright licenses. According to US law, I am also allowed to make copies for personal use, and several other "fair use" cases, absolutely regardless of licenses.

>Fair use Precisely. Simply owning a book doesn't mean "I can do anything I want to it". The same applies to copyright material online - just because you own a computer doesn't mean you own the intellectual property on it. You're free to scribble on your computer case though.

This thread is still about ad blocking, right?

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by wyager »

bduerst wrote: post #126
sp332 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is yes, you are allowed to scribble in a book you own and tear out pages. The answer does not depend on the "type of book" or any copyright licenses. According to US law, I am also allowed to make copies for personal use, and several other "fair use" cases, absolutely regardless of licenses.

>Fair use Precisely. Simply owning a book doesn't mean "I can do anything I want to it". The same applies to copyright material online - just because you own a computer doesn't mean you own the intellectual property on it. You're free to scribble on your computer case though.

> Simply owning a book doesn't mean "I can do anything I want to it".

You can do anything you want to the physical book. You can scribble in it, tear pages out, burn it. There is no question that this is the case.

What you cannot do is copy, redistribute, etc. the book.

The same ought to be true of web pages.

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