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Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by Snesker »

anexprogrammer wrote: post #106
nugget wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't reliably adblock vertically integrated sites like Facebook and Google search who sell and serve their own ads on their own domains. There's a scenario wherein monetization as we know it dies for the majority of long-tail sites and content creators migrate en mass to the large platforms in order to survive. Not a great scenario to think about if you love the decentralized nature of the early web but a plausi…

Really? ublock and even adblock seem to cope quite well with both. I haven't unintentionlly seen a Google search ad in a decade, or any Youtube ads. In the case of FB they block 95%+ - periodically a few ads seem to slip through for a day or two at most. So what do you call reliable?

>I haven't unintentionlly seen a Google search ad in a decade

the ads are the particular search results you saw

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by st3v3r »

curioussavage wrote: post #101
st3v3r wrote: post #65

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I cannot agree to this. Your entire premise rests upon the idea that these people are creating content for you for free. That you are entitled to someone else's work for free.

NO, the entire premise rests on the FACT that the site owner IS sending the content to me for free. No entitlement there. Just reality. Now if they put up a pay wall and I start whining to you that is entitlement. Very different things if you think about it. Now the obvious thing to say is - "well people won't pay to see the content" And to that I will respond by thinking: "hmmm, does the content really have any valu…

If it doesn't have value, then why do you insist on viewing it? Once again, you're stating you're entitled to their content instead of simply going to another site.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by st3v3r »

curioussavage wrote: post #99
st3v3r wrote: post #71

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So resist by not visiting those sites. Once you say that you are still entitled to the content, you have lost any claim to moral high ground, and are just acting like an entitled child. "Once you send information out into the world. you DONT own it." This sounds like someone who believes that if something comes up in a Google image search, it's free game for anyone to use.

Oh I don't feel entitled to it at all. But If I send you a GET request and you will just send it to me now questions asked then I'm going to ask for it. Nice try. Your variation of the old "if you don't like it why don't you just move" argument is the more childish response. Besides, enforcing this intellectual property racket is paid for by my tax dollars. Lets call those "contributions" to the cause my dues. "This…

So why should anyone pay you for work you've done?

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by sp332 »

st3v3r wrote: post #113
curioussavage wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I don't feel entitled to it at all. But If I send you a GET request and you will just send it to me now questions asked then I'm going to ask for it. Nice try. Your variation of the old "if you don't like it why don't you just move" argument is the more childish response. Besides, enforcing this intellectual property racket is paid for by my tax dollars. Lets call those "contributions" to the cause my dues. "This…

So why should anyone pay you for work you've done?

Usually there's a contract of some sort involved. What does that have to do with copyright?

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by StrykerKKD »

mikeokner wrote: post #66

It's laughable that Brave is marketed as a new, fast browser when it's just a Node/Electron application. It's barely more than a skin on a Chrome window with no possibility of ever outperforming Chrome.

I was laughing out loud, when I saw that it was based on node. They want to build a secure and fast browser and they use JS to accomplish it.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by ksangeelee »

hsod wrote: post #92
seibelj wrote: post #88

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Let me shift the conversation, and say that by the time you are trying to save an industry by arguing about morals, it is effectively doomed. A simple technical fix (installing an adblocker), a fix which is not illegal and in fact hundreds of millions of people do, renders the whole discussion moot. I think what many adtech companies have done is immoral. Excessive data use, tracking, distraction, and so on. But that…

I'm sure you make a lot of good points here, but I'm more interested in the ethical calculus of the individual ad block user than the market forces at play.

In my opinion, there is no ethical question to answer regarding general content I receive via an HTTP request. There's no expectation on my part other than the server provide me a valid response, which I will make use of as I choose (within the law, of course).

The technology to implement a paywall is well established, and while it may be annoying to have wasted time making the request, I'd simply learn to ignore certain domains. If that becomes unmanageable, I'd look for, or write, something to filter the blacklisted domains.

I already do this for forbes.com and Wired, among a few others, and my life is not measurably poorer as a result. It's a slight annoyance that Google, for example, returns these sites in my search results. Perhaps I should campaign the major search engines to implement custom filters for me.

Really, I don't care much if the current ad-fueled ecosystem of adutorial content and click-bait thrives on the Internet, as long as I don't have to see it.

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Post by bduerst »

sp332 wrote: post #51
bduerst wrote: post #41

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>so it's fine. Not according to copyright law. Just because you have a computer (with a browser) doesn't give you the right to do what you want with someone else's content.

Whoever owns the copyright for the page content doesn't own the copyright for the ads. They are separate works. If I have a copyrighted work that says "please insert an ad from Google here" I am under no obligation to do so.

Copyright includes exclusive rights to determine use and distribution of a work of art. That means copyright owners may determining how their work is distributed, including requiring the bundling with other approved works for combined consumption.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by bduerst »

wyager wrote: post #108
bduerst wrote: post #41

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>so it's fine. Not according to copyright law. Just because you have a computer (with a browser) doesn't give you the right to do what you want with someone else's content.

> doesn't give you the right to do what you want with someone else's content. Am I allowed to scribble in a book that I bought? Rip out the pages?

Depends on the type of book and the copyright holders intentions for their work.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by wyager »

bduerst wrote: post #118
wyager wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> doesn't give you the right to do what you want with someone else's content. Am I allowed to scribble in a book that I bought? Rip out the pages?

Depends on the type of book and the copyright holders intentions for their work.

No, it actually doesn't. If I own a book, I can do anything I want to it. I thought it was obvious that my question was entirely rhetorical.

Your response speaks to the insanity people have become accustomed to in IP law.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Post by sp332 »

bduerst wrote: post #117
sp332 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoever owns the copyright for the page content doesn't own the copyright for the ads. They are separate works. If I have a copyrighted work that says "please insert an ad from Google here" I am under no obligation to do so.

Copyright includes exclusive rights to determine use and distribution of a work of art. That means copyright owners may determining how their work is distributed, including requiring the bundling with other approved works for combined consumption.

Sure, but drive-by contracts are not enforceable. You'd have to present me with the terms of use and let me agree to them before showing me the content.
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