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Microsoft Live Account Credentials Leaking from Windows 8 and Above

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Re: Microsoft Live Account Credentials Leaking from Windows 8 and Above

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Re: Microsoft Live Account Credentials Leaking from Windows 8 and Above

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As a Linux user I have kept Windows 7 & 8 partitions in my laptop and workstation disks for years because there used to be time where you needed Windows in the work for some programs to work and some documents to open. Windows 10 upgrade push made me to realize that that time passed a long time ago. Last time I booted to Windows for other reason than playing a game was seven years ago. LibreOffice works well with MS…

A couple months ago I tried to ditch windows for linux at work and I failed, mostly because neither Skype nor Hangouts worked properly on it and the client was tired of switching tools, but other than that I think I didn't miss anything. At home linux is a complete no no, I run into windows only tools every week. But for a better experience on linux, I recommend changing libre office for wps office.

Re: Microsoft Live Account Credentials Leaking from Windows 8 and Above

#73

As a Linux user I have kept Windows 7 & 8 partitions in my laptop and workstation disks for years because there used to be time where you needed Windows in the work for some programs to work and some documents to open. Windows 10 upgrade push made me to realize that that time passed a long time ago. Last time I booted to Windows for other reason than playing a game was seven years ago. LibreOffice works well with MS…

> Windows has lost it's grip for good. For your listed use case of gaming & document creation. There are a lot of niche applications that are Windows only. All major CAD platforms, a decent chunk of FEA packages, hardware vendor software, etc. At the professional level, Windows still has quite the grip.

And most of those vendors were windows-only because their customers, their suppliers were windows only. But that knot seems to be loosening.

Windows still dominates on workstations, but that no longer locks people in like it used to. Some user-interfaces can be pushed onto the web or mobile apps. Suppliers further down the chain are now as likely to support Linux as Windows.

My employer is a hardware vendor, our software is turning out Linux-only for the forseeable future. Of course the office PC's for us an most of our customers are Windows, but this is workable because of all kinds of (mostly network based) interoperability that has grown up over the years.

Re: Microsoft Live Account Credentials Leaking from Windows 8 and Above

#74

Until a fix is released, this can be mitigated by blocking outbound TCP connections on ports 139 and 445. Individual users can do this using by setting up suitable outbound rules in the Windows Firewall with Advanced Security snap-in (wf.msc).

Or by using a browser that doesn't silently and promiscuously attempt to connect to remote network shares. Like, any other browser. Good grief.

Re: Microsoft Live Account Credentials Leaking from Windows 8 and Above

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post #71

Huh, their evile 31337 haxx0r background looks like a blatant copyright violation. It's artwork based on a video game cover. Previously also "stolen" by the BBC: http://www.gamesradar.com/wait-did-bbc-use-thief-art-illustr... (since then apparently replaced, http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33442419 ) Also available for illegitimate at http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-389962378/stock-photo-hacker... or http://www.sh…

It's barely even visible...

Re: Microsoft Live Account Credentials Leaking from Windows 8 and Above

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post #9

And people wonder why some of us haven't upgraded from Windows 7. Win10 tries really hard to make you log into your desktop with your Live Account credentials - you can't use the store without this. Whereas if it were just leaking a local login it would be much less critical.

I use a local account and windows never bothered me about it.

Re: Microsoft Live Account Credentials Leaking from Windows 8 and Above

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows has lost it's grip for good. For your listed use case of gaming & document creation. There are a lot of niche applications that are Windows only. All major CAD platforms, a decent chunk of FEA packages, hardware vendor software, etc. At the professional level, Windows still has quite the grip.

If you're a windows shop. My shop doesn't use windows at all.

I think for the kinds of applications that the poster was talking about (CAD, FEA, etc...), there's no concept of the department or business being a Windows shop or a macOS shop any more than it being an Intel shop or an AMD shop. The OS is just infrastructure and not that interesting.

It's the applications that are key and if some application requires a Windows machine, that's what they buy.

Re: Microsoft Live Account Credentials Leaking from Windows 8 and Above

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post #72

As a Linux user I have kept Windows 7 & 8 partitions in my laptop and workstation disks for years because there used to be time where you needed Windows in the work for some programs to work and some documents to open. Windows 10 upgrade push made me to realize that that time passed a long time ago. Last time I booted to Windows for other reason than playing a game was seven years ago. LibreOffice works well with MS…

A couple months ago I tried to ditch windows for linux at work and I failed, mostly because neither Skype nor Hangouts worked properly on it and the client was tired of switching tools, but other than that I think I didn't miss anything. At home linux is a complete no no, I run into windows only tools every week. But for a better experience on linux, I recommend changing libre office for wps office.

your anecdotal experience against mine: Hangout and Skype (and Vibe) are working fine on Ubuntu.

Re: Microsoft Live Account Credentials Leaking from Windows 8 and Above

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As a Linux user I have kept Windows 7 & 8 partitions in my laptop and workstation disks for years because there used to be time where you needed Windows in the work for some programs to work and some documents to open. Windows 10 upgrade push made me to realize that that time passed a long time ago. Last time I booted to Windows for other reason than playing a game was seven years ago. LibreOffice works well with MS…

> Windows has lost it's grip for good. For your listed use case of gaming & document creation. There are a lot of niche applications that are Windows only. All major CAD platforms, a decent chunk of FEA packages, hardware vendor software, etc. At the professional level, Windows still has quite the grip.

Yeah, it's the only reason I have a Windows laptop (or desktop) - I teach music technology, and that means a DAW which works - in my case Cubase - so unless Steinberg changes their mind on supporting Linux (which seems massively unlikely given the amount of effort needed to get it working properly), I'll have to have a Windows machine for the foreseeable future; everything else I do is done on my Chromebooks (one Chrome, one GalliumOS).

Re: Microsoft Live Account Credentials Leaking from Windows 8 and Above

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. The started with the IE 11 source code and ripped a whole load of stuff dealing with compatibility, and previous rendering engines, out. Once they had completed this step they started adding new features in, but it's still got the legacy of Internet Explorer code in it.

I still don't understand how this myth that they wrote Edge from scratch even came to be. You don't just quickly write a browser from scratch in this day and age. And if you did, it would be so much better than Edge or the other contemporary browsers, because you could start out with a much better architecture...

People buying into slightly disingenuous marketing. MS described Edge as "build from the ground up" leading people to believe that everything was new, whereas you can build from the ground up but still use parts culled from other older projects.

Marketing: it is all fun and games until you validate the claims.

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