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Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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I have trouble interpreting stories like these as anything other than scare tactics. I'm not a "denier". I'm acknowledging that there's been an increase, generally in the range of 1-2 degrees F.

But given an increase of that magnitude, I find it very hard to blame for the kinds of problems being described here. 1F to 2F is well within the normal range of variation, and so if the roadways are suffering from it, it must be that the roads weren't properly designed for the expected variations to begin with.

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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We are in for a shtt-storm.

But go over to Bloomberg news, and they're wondering why the Japanese won't make the tough cultural sacrifices needed to increase immigration, to stave off stagnant GDP caused by declining population and the accompanying demographics. (I get the workers to non-workers issues in play. Even with that, I believe it is telling, which solutions are put forth. Increase immigration. Not, decrease consumption.)

Seriously, our roads are sinking. Record temperatures. Record droughts. Record greenhouse gasses. But how many times were "jobs" talked about at the DNC and RNC? "Global warming"?

We, are so, f-cked.

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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I have trouble interpreting stories like these as anything other than scare tactics. I'm not a "denier". I'm acknowledging that there's been an increase, generally in the range of 1-2 degrees F. But given an increase of that magnitude, I find it very hard to blame for the kinds of problems being described here. 1F to 2F is well within the normal range of variation, and so if the roadways are suffering from it, it mus…

1-2 degrees globally. Celsius.

And the predictions are consistently outpaced by reality.

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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I have trouble interpreting stories like these as anything other than scare tactics. I'm not a "denier". I'm acknowledging that there's been an increase, generally in the range of 1-2 degrees F. But given an increase of that magnitude, I find it very hard to blame for the kinds of problems being described here. 1F to 2F is well within the normal range of variation, and so if the roadways are suffering from it, it mus…

1-2 degrees globally . Celsius . And the predictions are consistently outpaced by reality.

So, you were talking about temp change to date. Not predicted. My comment speaks to your commenet incorrectly. Sorry about that.

I can't revise or delete my comment on this device, or I would. My bad.

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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I have trouble interpreting stories like these as anything other than scare tactics. I'm not a "denier". I'm acknowledging that there's been an increase, generally in the range of 1-2 degrees F. But given an increase of that magnitude, I find it very hard to blame for the kinds of problems being described here. 1F to 2F is well within the normal range of variation, and so if the roadways are suffering from it, it mus…

1-2 degrees globally . Celsius . And the predictions are consistently outpaced by reality.

To add to this, it's not as if temperatures everywhere went up by 1-2 degrees. polar areas are more affected than average by global warming

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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I have trouble interpreting stories like these as anything other than scare tactics. I'm not a "denier". I'm acknowledging that there's been an increase, generally in the range of 1-2 degrees F. But given an increase of that magnitude, I find it very hard to blame for the kinds of problems being described here. 1F to 2F is well within the normal range of variation, and so if the roadways are suffering from it, it mus…

I don't know if you've been to Alaska, but a large part of the lowland is swamp that happens to be frozen most of the time. The current roads are basically a pile of gravel on top of that. If the swamp is frozen for less of the time, the gravel moves more.

So yes, the road was not engineered with these conditions in mind, but building a road on a swamp is not easy to do, even if engineered correctly.

Barely mentioned in the article, the Trans-Alaska Pipeline was built with cooling pipes to keep the ground it is built on cold. [1][2]

1. http://dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a073597.pdf [pdf]

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_Trans-Alas...

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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We are in for a shtt-storm. But go over to Bloomberg news, and they're wondering why the Japanese won't make the tough cultural sacrifices needed to increase immigration, to stave off stagnant GDP caused by declining population and the accompanying demographics. (I get the workers to non-workers issues in play. Even with that, I believe it is telling, which solutions are put forth. Increase immigration. Not, decrease…

It seems like we're discovering a bunch of technologies that involve removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere now (and even using it as a resource). That isn't the only problem gas, but I'm optimistic that we will solve the "greenhouse effect" problem through this sort of climate engineering before the real disaster of rising sea levels gets too far. In a century people will probably be freaked out by a host of issues we've barely even thought of today (things like the Kessler syndrome that are not so top-of-the-mind).

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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I have trouble interpreting stories like these as anything other than scare tactics. I'm not a "denier". I'm acknowledging that there's been an increase, generally in the range of 1-2 degrees F. But given an increase of that magnitude, I find it very hard to blame for the kinds of problems being described here. 1F to 2F is well within the normal range of variation, and so if the roadways are suffering from it, it mus…

An increase of 1C globally means that the planet gets hotter by a gazzilion of Watts.

Imagine how much energy is needed to increase the temperature of a glass of water by just 1C. Then, a swimming pool. Finally, a planet.

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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I have trouble interpreting stories like these as anything other than scare tactics. I'm not a "denier". I'm acknowledging that there's been an increase, generally in the range of 1-2 degrees F. But given an increase of that magnitude, I find it very hard to blame for the kinds of problems being described here. 1F to 2F is well within the normal range of variation, and so if the roadways are suffering from it, it mus…

1-2 degrees globally . Celsius . And the predictions are consistently outpaced by reality.

What are you talking about? Reality has far underpaced most climate models. I'm not a denier either, but let's get the facts straight.
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