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Re: Millennium Tower is tilting, sinking

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to imply they had to do something to the entrances, but not what. Maybe there are little ramps added every year? I'm gonna go look now.

Please take some pictures and share them with us. Another article I read said they have needed to make adjustments to the first floor interface but didn't say what they were.

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Re: Millennium Tower is tilting, sinking

#52
post #19

From the article: "To cut costs, Millennium did not drill piles to bedrock." I'm amazed that a building of that height would be built on a slab with friction piles in the mudflat fill zone of the SF bay. How did they get a building permit for that? 16 inches of sinkage in 8 years is huge. Building sinkage isn't all that unusual, but not for skyscrapers. There was a time when skyscrapers were only built on competent r…

Engineers have been building skyscrapers in the mud for a long time. https://www.wbez.org/shows/wbez-news/building-skyscrapers-on...

Re: Millennium Tower is tilting, sinking

#53
post #19

From the article: "To cut costs, Millennium did not drill piles to bedrock." I'm amazed that a building of that height would be built on a slab with friction piles in the mudflat fill zone of the SF bay. How did they get a building permit for that? 16 inches of sinkage in 8 years is huge. Building sinkage isn't all that unusual, but not for skyscrapers. There was a time when skyscrapers were only built on competent r…

Am I reading that map right? Looks like the Millenium Tower is not in the fill zone on the shipwreck map? Hard to tell the shipwreck map looks a bit notional.

Probably right. Here's the USGS map of SF's geology.[1] It's mostly dune sand or fill for the flat parts near the bay.

[1] http://www.quake.ca.gov/gmaps/RGM/sfsj/sfsj.html

Re: Millennium Tower is tilting, sinking

#55

My house is on a steep hill, and Seattle has a reputation for hills sliding away under heavy rain. Before building it, I hired 3 separate geologists to evaluate the site. After digging holes, they said the site was sitting on "glacial till", which is clay that was compacted by about a mile of ice, and said there was nothing to worry about. Paying them was worth it for the peace of mind. (Turns out the till was so har…

Loving your attitude. I often feel like with a lot of building (big and small) there is insufficient evaluation of site factors. For example: Is there a hill above the site? THAT needs to be evaluated (sometimes they do, sometimes they don't). Is the site on a traditional floodplain? If so what actions have been taken to redirect the water flow? Does the system have the capacity to move the water away? Is the site it…

Or one could just live in a place geologically suited for human habitation, such as the northeastern United States.

Re: Millennium Tower is tilting, sinking

#57

Pretty sure they need to safely dismantle this building and try again. In non-earthquake prone areas, it might make sense to jack it up and what not, but not in SF.

There is no scenario in which a 350 million dollar skyscraper deemed "not a safety issue for residents" will be torn down so they can "try again". They'll find a way to stabilize it and that will be that. No one is going to tear down nearly half a billion dollars worth of skyscraper if there's any chance of salvaging it.

Re: Millennium Tower is tilting, sinking

#58
post #11

...2 inches for such a tall building is such tiny angle If it sinks does this mean the first floor is slightly below the street level ..it probably means that the areas around the door and where the concete meets the street are cracked

I was wondering the same thing, but Google street view (taken in 2014) doesn't show any evidence of such a big dip. How is that possible?? The only thing I can think of is that it's more of a "sag," where the middle has sunk 18" but the edges haven't moved much, but I'm not really satisfied with that theory. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Millennium+Tower+San+Franc...

It's extremely unlikely that the building is sinking and the surrounding area is stable. More likely the building is pulling the entire area down, so it's probably hard to detect as a pedestrian.

Re: Millennium Tower is tilting, sinking

#59

My house is on a steep hill, and Seattle has a reputation for hills sliding away under heavy rain. Before building it, I hired 3 separate geologists to evaluate the site. After digging holes, they said the site was sitting on "glacial till", which is clay that was compacted by about a mile of ice, and said there was nothing to worry about. Paying them was worth it for the peace of mind. (Turns out the till was so har…

A friend of mine lives opposite some farmland. He told me the story of the owner of the farmland wanting to sell it for housing. He got a geologist in, who looked at the land and explained that this land was prime for a major landslide because of hollow pockets under the surface.

The farmer thanked the geologist, paid him, and then got another geologist in. This second geologist gave him the all clear that he was paid for, and went on his way.

I should point out that my friend lives on the DOWNHILL side of this land, so when it goes...

Re: Millennium Tower is tilting, sinking

#60

My house is on a steep hill, and Seattle has a reputation for hills sliding away under heavy rain. Before building it, I hired 3 separate geologists to evaluate the site. After digging holes, they said the site was sitting on "glacial till", which is clay that was compacted by about a mile of ice, and said there was nothing to worry about. Paying them was worth it for the peace of mind. (Turns out the till was so har…

I really hope the SF rules for building giant buildings are similar to recent Japan ones.

What I've heard is that after the Kobe earthquake, Japanese earthquake rules have been made so good that anything built after '95 has never fallen over, even in 2011-sized earthquakes (at least until the tsunami came).

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