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Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees

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Re: Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees

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I don't understand the problem. This is exactly what statistics addresses. Is that 9% a good enough random sample of the entire population, or not? If not, then what is the error 5%, 10%? Actually 9% is a really good sample.

These 9% were not a random sample.

Re: Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees

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post #16

I didn't know that felons weren't allowed to vote in the US - this was news to me. Looks like it varies by state: http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=0...

This is especially cruel because it doesn't take much to be labeled a felon in the US.

Re: Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees

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Can I just say the visualisation on this article is fantastic. Worth checking out even if you have little interest in the topic in the title.

NY Times has been impressing me a lot with their online editions. To the point I'm considering to actually pay for the content. Another very good visualisation from them is the Panama Channel article http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/22/world/americas...

Bit buggy though, the animations stop if you scroll too fast, including the one that counts up to the number of million people in USA, if you scroll past too fast it ends up below the actual number, causing confusion

Re: Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees

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I don't understand the problem. This is exactly what statistics addresses. Is that 9% a good enough random sample of the entire population, or not? If not, then what is the error 5%, 10%? Actually 9% is a really good sample.

Except I'd venture it would not be a good sample as it's not necessarily very statistically representative of the whole population (ie. random)? Of whether the people choosing the candidates have to be or even should be statistically representative of the whole population can be argued. The choice of candidates or order on ballots in many countries is decided by various less-than-representative groups.

> Except I'd venture it would not be a good sample as it's not necessarily very statistically representative of the whole population

That's pure conjecture as the article doesn't address the sample at all. It just basically says "The sample is 9%". It doesn't say why this is bad.

Re: Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees

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What astounds me the most is that party membership in the United States is actually very high compared to most other countries (except for India). Fewer than 200,000 Australians would currently be members of any political party - representing less than 1.5% of the total voters (around 14 million) - and that's being very generous with estimates of party membership figures. Most AFL football clubs would have more membe…

I definitely agree. The article appears to be painting a very dark picture that 91% don't want the candidates.

Where as this is just stating the obvious of what happens in every country that first puts forward a leader of a party that is contending to win the overall election.

Re: Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees

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I don't understand the problem. This is exactly what statistics addresses. Is that 9% a good enough random sample of the entire population, or not? If not, then what is the error 5%, 10%? Actually 9% is a really good sample.

It's 9% of the most politically active and engaged section of the population. It's not a random cross section of the entirety of the US population.

Re: Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees

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post #16

I didn't know that felons weren't allowed to vote in the US - this was news to me. Looks like it varies by state: http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=0...

This is especially cruel because it doesn't take much to be labeled a felon in the US.

"The New Jim Crow" is an excellent book on this. There's a chapter about how this disproportionately affects young black men and disenfranchises them.
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