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> What happened? As long as we pretend these things are too expensive to invest in, then we're sure to enter a long slow decline. I'll go on the Marxist side of things and say that "quantitative differences have turned out into qualitative ones". What I want to say is that scale matters. Regarding investment in higher-education, it was relatively ok and feasible to give Government subsidies for all the students atten…
> And to add to that, it always baffled me how Malthus's name has always had such a bad reputation. The economics for handling a planet inhabited by 1.5 billion people in the late 1800s (we only reached 2 billion people in 1927) are totally different from the economics of a planet inhabited by 7+ billion people, going on 10. Our resources are finite, no matter how much we try to hide it. I still don't get how Malthus…
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The first bullet point in your second link is: "Public investment in infrastructure sits at its lowest level since records have been kept because of underfunding across all levels of government." And the lead into the second graph, which shows real-terms per-capita public investment is: "On a per capita basis, real government spending on structures is the lowest it has been since at least 1950." Given statements like…
That is the mood affiliation of the post - it is in fact the only position on infrastructure that is within the overton window. But I'm citing the graphs, not the mood affiliation. The graphs show a large increase in spending on transit/water infrastructure and a large increase in costs. There is also relatively flat per-capita government investment in structures (a broader category which includes buildings/similar t…
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> And to add to that, it always baffled me how Malthus's name has always had such a bad reputation. The economics for handling a planet inhabited by 1.5 billion people in the late 1800s (we only reached 2 billion people in 1927) are totally different from the economics of a planet inhabited by 7+ billion people, going on 10. Our resources are finite, no matter how much we try to hide it. I still don't get how Malthus…
The implication is that some sort of population control might be necessary, if psych/soc pressures don't stabilize the population by themselves. Population control is antithetical to western individualistic values, so people reject the premise because one of the potential policy consequences (population control) causes an emotional melt-down. If desire to believe in an abstract principle is strong enough, facts will…
Since at the moment, the evidence strongly suggests that they are, "population control" measures sound even more evil to me than they did before.
The problem is that when you go to concretize the abstract question, you end up with the question "Who gets the power to decide who lives and dies?" (or reproduces) and one need not study history for very long to become very nervous about the possible answers. Those of you who casually assume you'd be on the "live" side are unjustified in your confidence.
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#64Considering we live in an infinite universe I do not see why economic growth can not continue even accelerate. Especially seeing that sometime this century we will get cheap space travel (getting there) and AI (getting there) and transition from fossil fuels to renewables and fusion (getting there) Tho' yes seeing how some of our best and brightest are working on how to serve more ads and how to get people spend thei…
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#65There are some exciting advances we need to extend the modern world to all of humanity without destroying the planet. But for those of us already living with the best humanity has to offer, our biggest limitation is ourselves.
I keep trying to come up with a reason for how recent advances are improving our lives without increasing GDP. Does anyone have a compelling one? Things like wikipedia are valuable and don't contribute to GDP. But then shouldn't people be happier than 20 years ago?
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#66Exponential Economist Meets Finite Physicist http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2012/04/economist-meets-...
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#67Currently we seem to have an economic system whose sole purpose seems to make a few wealthy. Any technological, social and political progress is a side effect to sustain the primary purpose of wealth for a few, and should any of the side effects come in the way of the primary purpose it will be quashed, which seems a tad uncivilised. These billions are just a social number more than anything else, and do not do anything meaningful, apart from affording power, privilege to sustain an inherently exploitative cycle with serious environmental consequences.
Capitalism by its very nature can only reward the top percentages, the moment demand rises with scarce resources prices rise too, leaving a small exclusive group with disproportionate wealth and power always in control.
The market cannot decide anything without heavy constraints, and will take us quickly to a gridlock. In a non functioning traffic intersection, humans will always act not in enlightened self interest or common interest but short term immediate self interest which is neither good for them, everyone else or their environment, evidenced in the ensuing gridlock that will leave everyone including themselves stranded. Yet we set up a system that rewards this uncivilised base individual behavior to get ahead at all costs nevermind anything else. If low cost drives choices it only means the market will rush to exploitation and plunder without constraining rules. If someone is plundering the environment or using slaves an informed choice can only happen if the consumers know about it, cares about it and by the time this happens irreversible damage to the environment or social structure may already be done. Power could ensure information is not available, propaganda or lack of choice for alternatives. Capitalism cannot deliver an egalitarian enlightened sustainable society and is not designed to, only promise to while the small elite control the cycle.
Currently the elite will always support the system out of self interest nevermind the consequences for everyone else or the environment while others seek a way to break into the club or an alternative way. This is inherently unstable and will lead to periodic purges or paranoia and control of the population. Like the old quote goes there is enough for everyone's need but not for their greed.
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#68I saw a quote by a US congressman blaming young people today for our financial problems because many of them are unwilling to put themselves into debt for homes, cars, etc. An outrageous statement, blaming people for doing what they believe to be in their own self interest.
If the value of production mostly stayed with the people and local businesses then I can imagine our society thriving with minimal growth.
In my opinion, the requirement for growth to keep the financial sector going is like a cancer. Wall Street, central banks, etc. grow in power and consume more of the productive segments of society like a cancer.
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#69I agree that it's impossible for the rates of economic growth and lifestyle improvements we saw since the late 1800s to continue indefinitely, but the key to growth is investment. And from the late-1800s till the mid-1900s, there were huge government investments made in building new and innovative infrastructure in the US--railroads, the phone network, state universities and K-12 public education, electricity generat…
I went to a state school in mid 2000's and paid around $1700/sem in-state tuition for full-time course load.
Is this still an option?
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#70Maybe growth has slowed, not because of an inherent limit of technology, but because we just don't have problems as big as our great-grandparents. The biggest enemy we have left is ourselves. We crave attention more, overeat, and look forward to a retirement where our minds waste away. There are some exciting advances we need to extend the modern world to all of humanity without destroying the planet. But for those o…
A few years ago there was a survey among the amish, and it appears that they are as happy as modern day billionaires.
On the other hand, another survey have shown a decrease of 20% ! in empathy among college students, between 2000-2010. And it have probably became worse since than. And empathy is core to so many critical things.
But when you don't aim society at nothing meaningful, just more money, what do you expect to get ?