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Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Billions

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Re: Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Billions

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Another fun fact: Jen Liu, Uber’s China head of strategy, is the niece of Lenovo founder Liu Chuanzhi.

Good old state-sponsored family business. It's called Chaebol (재벌) in Korea, Zaibatsu (財閥) in Japan, is there a name for it in modern China?

"Taizidang" (太子党) - the Party Princelings.

They are children and in-laws of of influential "communists" who regularly end up as generals, CEOs and heads of NGOs in their thirties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princelings

Re: Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Billions

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"The major Chinese cities generally have very developed and efficient systems of mass public transit, reducing demand for rideshares (and cars in general)" This depends on your frame of reference. If you're comparing with SF, sure. If you're comparing with London or New York, less so. In London, the underground is faster than private car for many (most?) daytime journeys. In Beijing and Shanghai, a private car is alm…

Lived in Beijing for 2 decades. I think in Beijing and Shanghai, a private car is almost always slower than their subway systems. Beijing subway network has 18 lines, 334 stations and 554 km (344 mi) of track in operation and is the second longest subway system in the world after the Shanghai Metro (588 kilometres). Beijing subway also has extensive expansion plans call for 1,050 km (650 mi) of track by 2020. https:/…

You're comparing the metro and the traffic in Shanghai to that in Beijing. They're not comparable. Beijing is far, far worse on both. A scooter is probably faster for most purposes than either but the metro in Shanghai is amazing, better than Seoul. Beijing is a horrorshow.

Re: Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Billions

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im not completely sure about this - but it seems that the people who run Didi and Uber in China are cousins (http://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-ubers-fight-with-its-chin...) - and are both linked to the powerful Lenovo family.

China is a huge, closed economy .. where doing business in the country means buying into powerful business families. Money stays within the family!

Re: Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Billions

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Good old state-sponsored family business. It's called Chaebol (재벌) in Korea, Zaibatsu (財閥) in Japan, is there a name for it in modern China?

"Taizidang" (太子党) - the Party Princelings. They are children and in-laws of of influential "communists" who regularly end up as generals, CEOs and heads of NGOs in their thirties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princelings

AFAIK Princelings is just one of the political gangs in China. Others are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_clique, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsinghua_clique, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zhijiang_Army, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xishan_Society

Re: Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Billions

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I realize this is a complex deal with many nuances but do elements of all of this not sound a little bit like a ponzi scheme? At least outwardly? Didi which itself has lost billions dollars so far has agreed to invest a billion dollars into another company who has lost billions of dollars. I guess investors are that confident that Uber can not and will not fail?

Re: Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Billions

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Merge is such a cute word. "Uber lost China and had to sell to Didi" is more like it

Or Uber invested $2bn and walked out with $7bn. Not a bad deal. Plus the value of the combined entity will skyrocket.

> Or Uber invested $2bn and walked out with $7bn. Not a bad deal. Plus the value of the combined entity will skyrocket.

Does that $2bn 'investment' figure include the $1bn/year losses they were incurring competing with Didi? Uber ploughed in more than $2bn into China, and got less than $7bn (as sibling comment says, the $7bn is not all going to Uber).

I agree on the second point - the value of whatever percentage Uber owns is likely to go up.

Re: Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Billions

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For people living in Beijing, this is really a bad news. Didi and Uber China have been in fierce competition for quite a long time, both of them gave consumers HUGE discount. For example, Uber is showing me a promotion which I can go as far as 5 KM around at the cost of just 5 RMB (0.75$). After merging, I'm afraid we won't see such a low price anymore.

People living in Beijing enjoy political stability and wise Party decisions.

> From disruption to state-sanctioned monopoly in the blink of an eye. Welcome to the Chinese internet

> http://www.wsj.com/articles/uber-in-china-why-foreigners-nev...

Re: Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Billions

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And of course infamously Google and Facebook dominate most of the planet, but can't compete in China (and Baidu can't manage to do much outside of China).

Its even worse than that: Myanmar, Cambodia, Vietnam, ... most of China's neighbors who are just getting into the internet now...are strictly Facebook/Google territory, Chinese internet companies can't even compete in their backyard.

Do they need to, though? The Chinese market is so unbelievably huge that expanding into these small neighboring countries might not be worth the effort.
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