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The 19th Century plug that's still being used

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Re: The 19th Century plug that's still being used

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They ship the phones with a small adapter that goes from micro USB to lightning. You're allowed a proprietary port into the phone as long as you provide the adapter for free.

Nice. http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD820AM/A/lightning-to-mic... $20 to buy in the US. Sure it cost $.10 to make.

Except for the fact that people have torn down their electronics accessories and found them to be significantly higher quality than the crappy ones you can buy for $5.

http://www.righto.com/2014/05/a-look-inside-ipad-chargers-pr...

Better components, better design, better safety, and better assembly. Plus then you have to package and ship the things.

People complain about Apple selling $20 accessories, then turn around and complain about working conditions in Apple's suppliers like Foxconn (despite Apple doing far better on that front than their competitors).

Re: The 19th Century plug that's still being used

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This is the sort of thing the market will sort out anyways. If there is enough of a market for people who don't care about the 3.5mm port, apple will be fine. People like me will buy something else. Just because apple doesn't have expandable storage hasn't made samsung discontinue it either. Same deal with the headphone jack.

Re: The 19th Century plug that's still being used

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post #9

"Thinner phone" is a stupid requirement. A thinner phone will be mechanically weaker. Yes, Apple retired Floppy disks and DVD readers, because those were replaced by something better. This is not the case here. A Bluetooth headphone will give you an inferior experience. A lightning converter will give you a worse experience because I can bet it doesn't stay plugged as firmly as a headphone in a high vibration situati…

I just got a pair of Bose noise-canceling bluetooth headphones. They work great. I'm looking forward to doing away with the headphone jack.

Point me to a nice BT sweatproof headset that also has decent enough mic to use for Siri and conf calls.

I've been through 10 BT headsets and the Apple EarPods are still the best and most flexible all-rounder. It's the equivalent of the inexpensive DSLR walkaround lens to me.

Re: The 19th Century plug that's still being used

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post #58
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It's not quite 19th c. technology. It was .25 inches, but it had only two conductors, the tip, and the ring, separated by an insulator. Hence the "tip" and "ring" nomenclature for analog telephone wiring. Analog phone technology is remarkably back-compatible. You can use an 80 year old phone today. Not many, if any technology products could claim that level of compatibility. But, so what? Analog phones are going away…

> So should codecs and amps inside of mobile devices. Those things belong with the transducer, so they can be tuned to the characteristics of the transducer. Amplifiers/DACs are not simple devices that can be crammed into a pair of headphones without significant compromises in audio quality. The DAC in an iPhone is acceptable for most uses but an amplifier requires a fairly large quantity of discretes and a large pow…

> crammed into a pair of headphones

Headphones have a lot more room for electronics and than do phones. Even a small volume-control module in line in an in-ear headphones would have a lot more room than is currently used by the audio circuitry in a phone.

> The long-term fix for audiophile users is probably going to be to move to external DAC/amp units

That's the current solution for audiophiles, and digital music connections, wired or wireless, will support this better.

Re: The 19th Century plug that's still being used

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"Thinner phone" is a stupid requirement. A thinner phone will be mechanically weaker. Yes, Apple retired Floppy disks and DVD readers, because those were replaced by something better. This is not the case here. A Bluetooth headphone will give you an inferior experience. A lightning converter will give you a worse experience because I can bet it doesn't stay plugged as firmly as a headphone in a high vibration situati…

> "Thinner phone" is a stupid requirement.

You may think that the current iPhones are thin enough, but almost nobody actually uses the phone on its own. You need to take into account the thickness of the case, and now that people are playing Pokemon Go, it really needs to be a battery case, which is even thicker. So the base phone needs to be thinner.

(They can't just make the phone a little thicker and put the extra battery inside it because reasons.)

Re: The 19th Century plug that's still being used

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If they are moving to a paradigm where I can't listen and charge at the same time, the 6 will be my last iPhone. I wish they would stop trying to shave millimeters off my phone thickness and address actual user needs like battery life. When was the last time any of you said, "Damn, I wish this phone was thinner!"? Probably never. But many of us regularly bemoan the battery life of our devices.

"Damn, I wish this phone was as thin & durable as a graham cracker, so that I can put it in my pocket all day"

Re: The 19th Century plug that's still being used

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This is the sort of thing the market will sort out anyways. If there is enough of a market for people who don't care about the 3.5mm port, apple will be fine. People like me will buy something else. Just because apple doesn't have expandable storage hasn't made samsung discontinue it either. Same deal with the headphone jack.

While I'm with you and won't be buying one for reasons beyond the 3.5mm jack (but that would be a deal breaker if I was on the fence), I'll be more surprised if the removal of that feature stops scores of people lining up to get the latest phone (along with a new set of over-priced headphones).

At the end of the day, it's "give up the 3.5mm jack" or "don't get the latest iPhone" and I'll wager that they'll have no problem generating lines filled with people that just have to have the iPhone 7 because...Apple! Apple has a near-religious following. I got a kick out of a friend of mine who upgraded on release when they ditched the 30-pin connector. He'd recently purchased an alarm clock, an add-on for his home stereo and had already owned several other 30-pin reliant bits. They were on eBay the following week. Out of the non-techies I know that purchased the iPhone 6, none of them could tell what, specifically, they were getting over their existing iPhone 5S (that's a grand-anecdotal-total of 3 folks, though).

If there is resistance on this release due to there not being enough compelling features, that resistance will eventually give way. Many people are so wired in to Apple's products that lock-in will win. Maybe they'll wait until the 8. But eventually Apple will be making money on sales of ear buds with Apple-only connections and will benefit from yet another component that locks them into their platform. And the folks who spend $200 on supposedly high-end ear phones[0] will now feel even more compelled to stick with Apple's product line.

I'm biased and this is a little overly cynical. I've never owned an iPhone and the two Apple devices I've ever owned: an iPad that belongs to my wife and an iMac that I use as a display (target display mode) because, at the time, it was a little less than a comparable "screen only" device with similar specifications (and it was physically prettier, to boot). I've not logged into it, directly, in two years and don't really get the appeal of OSX.

[0] I've never understood this. I have a pair of 25 year old studio headphones (AKG, 1/4" jack, big, over-the-ear with a very long cord). I needed them due to equipment and was sicked that they ran 10 times the price of a pair of solid headphones, but I was amazed by the quality they produced. I didn't want to buy these, but after 25 years of heavy use (and the manufacturer still makes the model I purchased), I can't say I feel bad about the price. The Beats/Bose headphones? I can't tell the difference between them and a pair of $30 active noise cancelling headphones I purchased from Big Lots. Granted, I can't plug my AKGs into a phone even with an adapter -- they're too quiet.

Re: The 19th Century plug that's still being used

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice. http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD820AM/A/lightning-to-mic... $20 to buy in the US. Sure it cost $.10 to make.

Except for the fact that people have torn down their electronics accessories and found them to be significantly higher quality than the crappy ones you can buy for $5. http://www.righto.com/2014/05/a-look-inside-ipad-chargers-pr... Better components, better design, better safety, and better assembly. Plus then you have to package and ship the things. People complain about Apple selling $20 accessories, then turn arou…

That link's about power supplies, where there actually is a significant difference in component quality. A lightning to microusb adapter doesn't involve voltage shifting or anything else that's super problematic. About all the lightning connector does is introduce lock-in.
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